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Baroness Nicholson on Regent Street flags

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ChristinaXYZ · 01/07/2022 09:23

Her letter here:

twitter.com/Baroness_Nichol/status/1542733465157877760/photo/1

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Conflictedunicorn · 02/07/2022 10:50

So @Hearach15 how do you feel about Peter Tatchells support of pedophiles? Wasn’t he very into pushing the lowering of the age of consent for sex?

Helleofabore · 02/07/2022 10:49

Hearach15 · 02/07/2022 10:43

Could you also explain to me how gay marriage "degrades" women?

Why not ask her directly? By email. She won’t reply to twitter or other DMs. But she does reply to emails.

Ask her directly.

As someone fighting for women’s and children’s rights from at least the 80s, I expect she has seen more loopholes appear in poorly worded legislation in the UK and at EU level than anyone posting here.

She obviously saw some potential conflict in the rights for women than you. It is worth engaging with her on it.

Or is it just convenient to keep monstering her on Mumsnet?

berriesandcreem · 02/07/2022 10:47

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Hearach15 · 02/07/2022 10:46

KittenKong · 02/07/2022 10:44

When was that? Back when Stonewall opposed gay marriage?

Back in 2020. Personally, I do not believe gay marriage "degrades" women but then again I am not a homophobe like her!

Baroness Nicholson on Regent Street flags
Hearach15 · 02/07/2022 10:44

Helleofabore · 02/07/2022 10:44

So, you have now dropped your claim about same sex marriage?

just to be clear, so we know what the next pivot will be.

She believes gay marriage "degrades" women - do you agree?

Baroness Nicholson on Regent Street flags
KittenKong · 02/07/2022 10:44

When was that? Back when Stonewall opposed gay marriage?

Hearach15 · 02/07/2022 10:44

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Clearly doesn't want LGBT people to have families either. Very homophobic.

Helleofabore · 02/07/2022 10:44

So, you have now dropped your claim about same sex marriage?

just to be clear, so we know what the next pivot will be.

Hearach15 · 02/07/2022 10:43

Helleofabore · 02/07/2022 10:37

Apart from voting history which you have twisted to suit your agenda and doesn’t seem to reflect reality, please post evidence to support your claim that Baroness Emma Nicholson ‘hates’ LGBT+ people.

or is this another thread of your unfounded claims?

Could you also explain to me how gay marriage "degrades" women?

Baroness Nicholson on Regent Street flags
berriesandcreem · 02/07/2022 10:42

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Hearach15 · 02/07/2022 10:41

Helleofabore · 02/07/2022 10:37

Apart from voting history which you have twisted to suit your agenda and doesn’t seem to reflect reality, please post evidence to support your claim that Baroness Emma Nicholson ‘hates’ LGBT+ people.

or is this another thread of your unfounded claims?

"Apart from voting history". Well, I mean that is a pretty important indicator as to how a person feels.

Why does she believe that gay people should be thrown in jail for having consensual sex with 20 year olds but straight people should not be?

Could you explain that to me?

Helleofabore · 02/07/2022 10:37

Hearach15 · 02/07/2022 10:29

The flags are great, LGBT people are great.

If Emma Nicholson doesn't like us perhaps she could move to somewhere more in line with her views. Maybe Saudi Arabia. I think that would make her and many other people happy.

Apart from voting history which you have twisted to suit your agenda and doesn’t seem to reflect reality, please post evidence to support your claim that Baroness Emma Nicholson ‘hates’ LGBT+ people.

or is this another thread of your unfounded claims?

Hearach15 · 02/07/2022 10:37

Helleofabore · 02/07/2022 10:34

And there have been posts on other threads addressing posters, including your’s, lack of understanding how good and robust laws are created.

Or perhaps you continue to ignore those and persist in doubling down.

Either way, love to know why you ignore that LGB lobby groups also had concerns at the time the Baroness voted against that wording of the bill.

What LGB lobby groups were against an equal age of consent in the 90s?

Hearach15 · 02/07/2022 10:36

Artichokeleaves · 02/07/2022 10:30

She's homophobic?

Less than Stonewall is. She doesn't want to end the right of people to be homosexual or insist that they 'learn to cope' with being in effect straight. If you care about homophobia, go rant about them.

But you don't care about homophobia, this is merely a desperate attempt to divert and stop a thread because its subject matter is inconvenient, and a hope that cancel culture thinking may help with this.

So having ensured this thread has no chance of actually talking about the op, lets think about cancel culture.

  1. This person has said something I don't like them saying
  2. This person has at some point said or done something I find smelly
  3. This person shall not exist and no one shall be allowed to listen to or agree with anything they say at any point ever regardless of evidence.

fgs my five year old has better reasoning skills than this. Cancel whoever you like, you enjoy yourself. But it's rather stupid to carry on like this about a woman whose career has been remarkable, and when you have absolutely nothing practical to say in response to the actual letter, just reasons why you won't tolerate the existence of the speaker.

Most of which are hyperbolic, highly dramatised and wildly inaccurate.

"This person shall not exist and no one shall be allowed to listen to or agree with anything they say at any point ever regardless of evidence."

I would also say that I believe she is entitled to her views but LGBT people are equally entitled to call her out on them and accurately label her a homophobe as a consequence.

Helleofabore · 02/07/2022 10:34

Hearach15 · 02/07/2022 10:19

What are you talking about? She voted against gay marriage and an equal age of consent. She's a homophobe.

And there have been posts on other threads addressing posters, including your’s, lack of understanding how good and robust laws are created.

Or perhaps you continue to ignore those and persist in doubling down.

Either way, love to know why you ignore that LGB lobby groups also had concerns at the time the Baroness voted against that wording of the bill.

Hearach15 · 02/07/2022 10:34

Artichokeleaves · 02/07/2022 10:30

She's homophobic?

Less than Stonewall is. She doesn't want to end the right of people to be homosexual or insist that they 'learn to cope' with being in effect straight. If you care about homophobia, go rant about them.

But you don't care about homophobia, this is merely a desperate attempt to divert and stop a thread because its subject matter is inconvenient, and a hope that cancel culture thinking may help with this.

So having ensured this thread has no chance of actually talking about the op, lets think about cancel culture.

  1. This person has said something I don't like them saying
  2. This person has at some point said or done something I find smelly
  3. This person shall not exist and no one shall be allowed to listen to or agree with anything they say at any point ever regardless of evidence.

fgs my five year old has better reasoning skills than this. Cancel whoever you like, you enjoy yourself. But it's rather stupid to carry on like this about a woman whose career has been remarkable, and when you have absolutely nothing practical to say in response to the actual letter, just reasons why you won't tolerate the existence of the speaker.

Most of which are hyperbolic, highly dramatised and wildly inaccurate.

She's homophobic because she believes gay marriage "degrades" women, doesn't want gays to have families and believes gays should be thrown in jail for having consensual sex with 20 year olds.

I wonder if the noble Baroness proposed that straight people should be banned from marriage, having families and should be thrown in jail for having consensual sex with 20 year old what the reaction would be from this group...

Artichokeleaves · 02/07/2022 10:32

The flags are great, LGBT people are great.

Kittens are a small lake in North Africa and rain falls slowly in cupboards on Wednesdays in space.

Artichokeleaves · 02/07/2022 10:30

She's homophobic?

Less than Stonewall is. She doesn't want to end the right of people to be homosexual or insist that they 'learn to cope' with being in effect straight. If you care about homophobia, go rant about them.

But you don't care about homophobia, this is merely a desperate attempt to divert and stop a thread because its subject matter is inconvenient, and a hope that cancel culture thinking may help with this.

So having ensured this thread has no chance of actually talking about the op, lets think about cancel culture.

  1. This person has said something I don't like them saying
  2. This person has at some point said or done something I find smelly
  3. This person shall not exist and no one shall be allowed to listen to or agree with anything they say at any point ever regardless of evidence.

fgs my five year old has better reasoning skills than this. Cancel whoever you like, you enjoy yourself. But it's rather stupid to carry on like this about a woman whose career has been remarkable, and when you have absolutely nothing practical to say in response to the actual letter, just reasons why you won't tolerate the existence of the speaker.

Most of which are hyperbolic, highly dramatised and wildly inaccurate.

Hearach15 · 02/07/2022 10:29

Clymene · 02/07/2022 10:26

It's interesting how this entire conversation is all about the purity otherwise of Emma Nicholson and no about the stupid flags.

The flags are great, LGBT people are great.

If Emma Nicholson doesn't like us perhaps she could move to somewhere more in line with her views. Maybe Saudi Arabia. I think that would make her and many other people happy.

Hearach15 · 02/07/2022 10:28

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 02/07/2022 08:28

No comments on the actual flags

just calling women talking about the flags nazis

got it…

Funny how she cites a Twitter poll - which anyone who knows anything about a). social media and b). polling will tell you is not representative of public opinion.

Most people quite like the LGBT community, Pride and all that comes with it. She's a very small minority on this issue, folks.

Clymene · 02/07/2022 10:26

It's interesting how this entire conversation is all about the purity otherwise of Emma Nicholson and no about the stupid flags.

Hearach15 · 02/07/2022 10:24

Helleofabore · 01/07/2022 23:10

I see we have another poster who seems to forget how laws are made under the Westminster Parliament system.

If a proposed law does not fulfill the need that a MP’s constituents want, or that MP sees potential issues arising from the wording of the law, they don’t vote for it. It is not like a popular vote, it is making law. And LGB lobby groups at the time expressed some reservations with the law when Baroness Nicholson voted against it.

She has publicly stated why she did. It wasn’t at all how some posters have expressed it. It was again because she had concerns about the protections of women and children under the proposed law.

But some posters across different threads keep trying to twist it to be out of hate and bigotry.

No LGBT groups expressed reservations about an equal age of consent in the 90s. Yet she opposed it.

Equally, she opposed gay marriage because she thought women marrying each other would "degrade" them.

She is a homophobe.

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Hearach15 · 02/07/2022 10:21

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Indeed, that is why a number of lesbians went and protested her home.

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/lesbian-with-a-vengeance-1589490.html

Hearach15 · 02/07/2022 10:19

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What are you talking about? She voted against gay marriage and an equal age of consent. She's a homophobe.

Helleofabore · 02/07/2022 10:05

So antifascist, you done in reviling others for having a different opinion? Including a Baroness that will have likely done more for women and children in her career at government level than you?

or are you just going to double down with no discussion? Just denigration, dismissal and shame?