Baroness Nicholson on Regent Street flags

Not really - being LGBT is great and well worth celebrating. We make the world a better place simply by existing
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Coming from someone who supports an ideology that thinks lesbians can be two men, I'm not sure it's her credibility that's up for question 🙄

I remember Pride in the good old days - when Emma Nicholson as she then was used to chat to Jacob and Annunziata Rees-Mogg over a pot of lapsang about why lesbians shouldn't have children

This reminds me of the Bill Maher bit, where being gay is now vanilla. There's probably a lot of truth in that, Pride was about pushing the boundaries and now gay relationships are very mainstream, a family member of mine and his partner would be seen as very boring and are not interested in Pride.

Maybe hence focussing on the TQ+ plus drag acts whoever they represent. I don't really know.

Icantreachthepretzels · Today 11:49
Hearach - I don't think you understand that tweet (or perhaps you do but are being disingenuous). It's not saying what you think it's saying at all. She isn't saying being a lesbian is 'degrading' she is saying that she thought allowing same sex marriage would 'degrade' (by which she means blur/ confuse/ change for the worse) the status of what a woman was and their treatment in society.

And you cannot argue that she has not been proven right. Even the UN now refuses to define a woman.

I don't agree that it is same sex marriage itself that has caused it (But then I don't know that she thought precisely that either), but the fact is Stonewall have pivoted to their anti-sex based rights, pro-gender, TRA stance since marriage equality was achieved, their initial aims seeming complete, and so they found a new cause to champion in order to keep the money coming in. Gay marriage has - inadvertantly - been the catalyst for Stonewall campaigning to remove women's rights and redefine homosexuality against the will of actual homosexuals.

This is not gay marriage's fault, nor does it make gay marriage a bad thing or even the voting for it a bad thing. It is entirely Stonewall's fault for choosing to champion a further, nebulous cause - not in line with their initial aims - just to stay on the gravy train. It is an act of corporate greed.

However, it is no bad thing for our lawmakers to stop and think of the full ramifications of any piece of legislation - no matter how honourable and just its intentions - before it is passed into law. Nor is it a bad thing for them to vote against that legislation if they think it is badly worded and that the ramifications will be negative and far reaching.

The baroness has said she thought the status of wome would be degraded following marriage equality being granted - as it was worded in the law she was voting on - and it has been.

Stop pretending that you think that means she has said that lesbians getting married is degrading.

Well explained, Icantreach and thank you for going to the trouble of doing so.

There were even gay people against same sex marriage for various reasons, when the new bill was being debated. For those gay people who were opposed to it, it was not homophobia towards themselves.

What if Keith (in accounting) doesn't want to add taste, colour and flair to the world? What if he just wants to do his job and then go home to watch TV with his husband? Will he not be gay any more?

I though we had Eurovision to add taste, colour and flair to the world. It seems a heavy responsibility to place on private citizens.

I’d be too chicken to try it on my niece because she is pushing 6foot and a very fit firefighter. She’d be able to knock me into next week.

She’s pretty ‘colourful’ because she is a firefighter though.

It's all so tedious, isn't it. Stereotypes, gimp masks and furries taking over pride, and the wholesale denial of homosexuality.

You couldn't make it up.

Gordon Ramsey adds expletives taste, colour, and flair to the world!

Is he the L, the G, the B or the T, then? Or maybe a +?

I'd tell ds1s partner

But quite honestly I think he'd agree 🤔

I’ll tell my sister ‘ooooh you are so exotic!’ And see how hard she punches me.

Show me someone who thinks that the possibility of people being lesbian, gay or bisexual adds taste, colour and flair to the world, and I'll show you someone creepily prurient.

Some people are same-sex attracted. Get over it. If Adam's life with Barry or Celeste's marriage to Diana adds "taste, colour and flair" to your life, you need to stop staring at people for being LGB.

So it's all about stereotypes, you mean?

Typical non response 🙄

We add taste, colour and flair to a world that would be much more dull without us 🌈

Yes, the military community and the LGBT have worse outcomes than other groups in society, hence the need for events to support and champion the interests of the communities. Glad you agree, shame the bigoted Baroness doesn't.

I heard the intersex artist being interviewed on BBC News earlier today (there was a problem with the connection so viewers could hear her but not see her). She talked about how amazing it was to see intersex people included in the flag and moved on to talking about her “trans siblings” and then how we had “exported homophobia to the Commonwealth”. When the interviewer had to say time was up I’ve never seen such fear of causing offence, even when discussing other sensitive issues. The interviewer not only said the standard “sorry we’ve got to stop because we’ve run out of time but thank you very much” but also “just to be clear, I’m not being rude but time is up”. The artist didn’t interject or try to continue so why did the interviewer fear being accused of rudeness?

What "contribution" do any LGBT people make to anything that is solely due to their LGBT status, and not just down to them as a person like any other?

I don't really understand why the gay pride flag has extra colours

I would have thought that those people apparently represented by those colours were already included in the original rainbow 🌈

Poppies? Interesting comparison.

Have you not noticed how every November turns into a ding-dong fight over poppy-wearing, and whether it's still a choice to wear one? Have you never noticed any anger from ex-soldiers about politicians who wear poppies while failing to do anything for veterans?

Veterans are overrepresented in our homeless population, which means that every November as the nights draw in and the temperatures slide down the thermostat, people make a display of wearing poppies while walking past homeless veterans in the street. It's all a big subject of debate every year.

Obviously you missed all that, and made the apt comparison by chance.

The flags recognise the contribution of LGBT people in a similar way that wearing a poppy recognises the contribution of the Armed Forces (that too is an international symbol btw, go to Canada in November).

This doesn't make any sense. How do those flags represent the contribution LGBT people to British society? The Progress++ Pride flag is an international flag. When Regent street had NFL flags did they represent the marvellous contribution of NFL players to British society?

The flag now includes intersex people (who apart from the artist, do not want to be classified as LGBT particularly as the majority of intersex people are heterosexual).

Baroness Nicholson doesn't like the LGBT community and therefore doesn't like our flag - quelle surprise !

Overall - everyone. Which is why all the additions (slowly pushing the original ones off the flag) makes little sense

There appears a concerted effort to defend Nicholson and to condemn critics for having the gall to point out what she has said repeatedly about gay rights and the positions she has adopted in parliament

There appears to be a concerted effort to avoid talking about the flags and to condem posters on the thread for agreeing on this one issue with the baroness