Veronica Ivy/Rachel McKinnon on Daily Show tonight

It will be interesting to see where Ivy pivots to next , argument wise. Because it all comes down to one thing. IF you think trans women are really women/female then they must be able to play in women’s sports. Ivys problem is they have been stuck in such an echo chamber that they assume everyone agrees with the first proposition : everyone parrots that “trans women are women” and so the conclusion logically follows. Ivy doesn’t appear to have thought through what happens when people think “I don’t believe trans women should play in female sports , so I guess I don’t really believe they are women after all.”

it’s an argumentative gamble borne out of arrogance. The trans activists are going to get a nasty shock when they realise people have only being paying lip service to TWAW.

Among the many, many (sigh) pieces of misinformation I would love to see properly corrected in the mainstream is the bogus information about Caster Semenya. The incontrovertible fact that Semenya is male with 5 alpha reductase deficiency is freely visible in a publicly available document is just completely ignored. Trevor Noah is probably far too cowardly to point this out against a fellow South African, but the fact Ivy is allowed to just lie with impunity is unacceptable.

To make myself feel better, I’m going to watch the clip of the lardarse falling of the bike, always reminds me of what that person is really like.

Yes. Definitely unscrupulous agents too.

And I would hope the health care has improved dramatically so there will be much better health care for those with these medical conditions from birth and a better understanding about their own bodies from the start.

Of course though, Ivy will continue with this tactic regardless.

I think it's less poor health care and more unscrupulous agents.

I think Ivy needs to update their playbook.

Because this has had history or racism built into it over the years. It's not an accident that the intersex athletes who get singled out are women of colour from the global south, because who gets singled out for scrutiny is based on white women's conceptions of femininity.

Is getting old. It is utilising the poor health care of those countries to prop up the weak argument for male inclusion into female categories.

It is extremely hypocritical. But I guess if a trans discredited ex-philosophy university lecturer says it, it makes it alright?

[reposting as I may have inadvertently deadnamed? I thought the Scottish sounding surname remained and Ivy was a doubled first name? Maybe Ivy is the surname now? Anyway in case I'm deleted for that - truly unintentional if Ivy is actually a surname - reposting].

FUCK ME! To sit in front of a black man from South Africa and imply that there's a link between trabs rights and racism.. speechless.

And to include intersex women next to trans women.

I get McKinnon is alluding to Castor Semenya who Trevor will of course know all about - as both are South African stars - but the audacity is breathtaking.

I think I'm about 90 seconds in. This goes on for 12 minutes?! Not sure I'll make it to the end without a defibrillator.

"Do you think that trans women and intersex women are real women and are really female or not. And if you do it's real simple: stop policing who counts as a real woman. Because this has had history or racism built into it over the years. It's not an accident that the intersex athletes who get singled out are women of colour from the global south, because who gets singled out for scrutiny is based on white women's conceptions of femininity. And that's being weaponised against trans people too. So it's a fear of protecting the fragile, weak, white cis woman from, um, the rest of us."

Then I heard the "we don't know if trans women athletes have an advantage as there's no published research" and I'm out.

I do wonder who vetted this guest. Is it normal for the Daily Show to have "experts" on who've lost tenure (seriously, that's harder than getting tenure in the first place!) and have a partner arrested for child sex crimes?!! Are there no other trans women who could be on? That's the best there is?!

Facts don’t care about your feelings friends”. Oh the irony

They're deliberately trying to wind people up. Ivy knows what Ivy is saying.

Went to the Twitter link from PP and found this. “Facts don’t care about your feelings friends”. Oh the irony

FUCK ME! To sit in front of a black man from South Africa and imply that there's a link between trabs rights and racism.. speechless.

And to include intersex women next to trans women.

I get McKinnon is alluding to Castor Semenya who Trevor will of course know all about - as both are South African stars - but the audacity is breathtaking.

I think I'm about 90 seconds in. This goes on for 12 minutes?! Not sure I'll make it to the end without a defibrillator.

Ivy has been pushing the ‘if you don’t think transitioned males deserve to play in female sports you don’t really think we are women’ for a while. Since they were known as McKinnon.

Gradually, some parts of the world are being reassured that they can indeed say the truth as opinion polls consisted show that the majority certainly doesn’t believe people can change sex despite repeating mantras. And that activists have been lying about many things, but certainly about how much public support they really have.

It must infuriate them no end to realise people repeat the mantra but many times only due to fear, as per the other polls that are now consistently showing that 18-28 year olds are actually the least tolerant generation. Again, despite activists claims that they are the most tolerant.

To be clear, they are tolerant of accepting misinformation about science and about gender, while being very intolerant to people disagreeing with them and alternative viewpoints. All while feeling ever so righteous.

Full interview here:

I actually think Ivy made a great point (in terms of peaking people), which can basically be boiled down to "if you don't see me as female for sport then you don't really see me as female".

Which is exactly right. In the recent Irish survey something like 45% of people said they believe "transwomen are women" but only 19% (these figures are rough and from memory) said that transwomen should be allowed to compete in women's sports. So 26% of people are wandering around uttering complete nonsense they don't believe in, presumably out of fear, politeness, or simply because they've never really thought about it in any depth.

As more and more light is shone on this situation, and more and more overweight 6ft+ men go on TV to tell everyone how very female they are, and more and more articles are written about predatory men in prisons and changing rooms and toilets, more of those 26% will start to see sense and stop saying words that don't align with their beliefs for the sake of a politeness that is ultimately harmful.

Isn't that the person who wants women to die in a grease fire?

Interesting choice....

Can anyone find a link to the interview? There's one on Twitter which doesn't work in the UK and searching YouTube reveals a 44-minute section with just the other interviewee and not VI (that I can see - scrolled through quickly)

Check their social media feeds as they usually put clips up, or as I said above they also put it out as a podcast.

Wonder if they’ll show the clip of VI falling over at the start line

My Olympic Dream Team: Veronica Ivy, Lia Thomas, Lauren Hubbard, the skateboarder, Fallon Fox.

I am shaking my pompoms for all of these brave stunning ladies.

I was just wondering that myself, apparently it's on Comedy Central which you can get via Sky. I think it's on at some early hour of the morning though.

How do you watch the Daily Show?

It's always good to let Veronica Ivy speak, in my opinion. Very informative. 😁

This will be interesting. I'm sure they'll put the clip up on social media but the Daily Show has a podcast 'ears edition' so I'll be listening out for that.

It is completely amazing what those AMAB can say and get away with and still get coverage. Astonishing.

Wonder if they’d show VI walking athletically on set. I mean, just one look will peak so many.