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UK students more anti-free speech than ever: cultural socialism

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Pluvia · 30/06/2022 10:53

I stumbled across this article:

unherd.com/thepost/britains-students-will-be-woke-forever/

I'm not sure I understand what is meant (or the implications) by the phrase 'cultural socialism.' If anyone can explain this, I'd be obliged.

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EdithStourton · 30/06/2022 15:35

antifascist · 30/06/2022 14:33

Cultural Marxism was a dogwhistle phrase used by the Nazis to indicate Jews.

Cultural socialism is a modernised form used by the extreme right both on "unherd" and on this website- which I understand is occasionally referred to as "Prosecco Stormfront"

ODFOD.
Many, many women who post on these pages are centre-left.

Prosseco stormfront my arse.

achillestoes · 30/06/2022 15:28

@antifascist Do you have some reputable links or evidence for that observation?

antifascist · 30/06/2022 14:33

Cultural Marxism was a dogwhistle phrase used by the Nazis to indicate Jews.

Cultural socialism is a modernised form used by the extreme right both on "unherd" and on this website- which I understand is occasionally referred to as "Prosecco Stormfront"

MangyInseam · 30/06/2022 14:18

I read cultural socialism as being more or less the same as identity politics. So a kind of collectivist/ class and power framework for analysis but applied to identity or culturally defined groupings based on sexuality, race, or gender presentation, or I suppose any other set of criteria we care to use.

There's a lot of argument over what the best phrase to describe this ideology is, but it's certainly a real thing. It would be nice to have a widely accepted term because the lack of one is part of what allowed some adherents to claim that it's not an ideology, just a construct to serve the culture wars.

achillestoes · 30/06/2022 12:46

transdimensional

I disagree. Cultural socialism is about a redistribution of cultural power. It’s deeply connected to economic socialism, and just as doomed, because it can’t be done without the self-same appropriation of power which it critiques.

transdimensional · 30/06/2022 12:42

"Cultural socialism" is just a phrase used by the author of the piece. Not a term I've come across before, but he claims what he means by it, counterposing it to cultural liberalism.
Some people conceptualise socialism in opposition to liberalism. Certainly, some forms of government claiming to be socialist, such as in China, are politically illiberal. (And almost all forms of socialism are in opposition to economic liberalism, as normally defined, particularly in its more extreme forms.)
So from that point of view I see what the author means, although it is perhaps an unfortunate expression, reminiscent of other phrases such as "cultural Marxism" and "cultural Bolshevism" ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Bolshevism , a phrase coined by the Nazis).
Speaking as a gendercritical democratic socialist and as a liberal socialist, I don't particularly like seeing the term "socialist" or "cultural socialist" used in this way.

antifascist · 30/06/2022 12:15

What it means is that the extreme right are pursuing a culture war- attacks on women's rights to control their own body.

drspouse · 30/06/2022 12:06

There was a Twitter thread with graphs on this - does anyone have this to hand?

achillestoes · 30/06/2022 10:58

In theory, socialism involves distribution according to collective interests, with (again in theory) more being given to people who have less. In practise, the interests are rarely collective; they operate according to who has power.

The hard left want free speech to operate in the same way, but of course it will operate in the same way.

GCRich · 30/06/2022 10:56

I'm tempted to say this is nothing buy UTTER STUPIDITY.

"39% believe student unions ‘should ban all speakers that cause offence to some students’ (more than double the 16% figure in 2016), with just 31% opposed".

Do they realise that by their own criteria one undergraduate who goes on to do a masters and pHd could prevent all TRA speeches happening for 8 years at their uni?

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