UK students more anti-free speech than ever: cultural socialism

No wonder people are so -ill informed on here.

I wonder if you've somehow missed the work by academics such as Sarah Pedersen that explored just how well-informed some FWR MN posters are.

“It’s what the suffragettes would have wanted”: the construction of the suffragists and suffragettes on Mumsnet

www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14680777.2022.2032788

Prof Pedersen turned up on a MN thread that discussed another of her papers:

‘They've got an absolute army of women behind them’: The Formation of a Women's Cooperative Constellation in Contemporary Scotland

www.euppublishing.com/doi/abs/10.3366/scot.2022.0394?fbclid=IwAR3eShVOpPKmEnKSeKcU4PFfaJv18aESlYls2_qrmIDXo0XW7WtmUyImTFM&journalCode=scot

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4478528-theyve-got-an-absolute-army-behind-them-womens-cooperative-constellation-in-Scotland

No wonder people are so -ill informed on here.

Oh good call !

I have - one is to an anonymous Wiki article and the other to a blog piece which I can't be bothered reading.

Generally I've no interest in taking seriously the opinions of a poster using the name "antifascist".

I expect saying that in itself makes me a "fascist" but in a UK context "fascist" is a term thrown around far too freely (unless you are referring to your parents or grandparents etc, who might have suffered at the hands of fascists and/or actually have fought fascists)

Only by you , Antifa. I have literally never read / heard it anywhere else.

What is cultural Marxism? Buggered if I know and I've been around the left since the 70s. I expect its the kind that does not improve the material conditions of poorer people.

Bit like this IDpol crap.

Thanks for the explanation. Given the interface offers the possibility of embedding links I'm not used to someone being quite so ungracious when someone asks for links and they are provided.

You're being asked not to hyperlink a word but to paste the links separately.

NB: There is prior experience of some posters who operate in bad faith of posting dubious links on FWR. As a courtesy, posters here tend not to embed links.

They asked for reputable links. Not unexplained embedded hyperlinks.

antifascist

Please stop denigrating other posters by misrepresenting their posts. And potentially and dramatically misrepresenting their political views.

When I was at Oxford in the early 2000s, I went to hear Charlton Heston speak about his support for gun laws. I found his stance reprehensible, but it gave me an important insight into how the pro-gun lobby felt. If he had been cancelled, which he most probably would be now (if he were still alive), I would never have got to hear his perspective and integrate it into my understanding of the issue.

‘I agree there are limits on free speech, but they have to be at the level of criminal behaviour, so inciting violence or persistent harassment, abusive language and behaviour aimed at someone or a group.’

This is essential in ensuring a level of objectivity about what is unacceptably offensive. We’ve seen this with the trans movement: they are absolutely genuine in finding offensive what nearly everyone else finds just true. What can you do with that?

The problem I see with people not defending free speech is that it hasn't been defended properly for years.

Even Julie Bindel, in the car park of Aspley Library in Nottingham, said she didn't support full free speech. She said something about not believing people should be allowed to use speech that large numbers of people found offensive.

I agree there are limits on free speech, but they have to be at the level of criminal behaviour, so inciting violence or persistent harassment, abusive language and behaviour aimed at someone or a group.

Expressing opinions that offend, even large groups of people, should be defended. We need to learn to argue against ideas we disagree with, not just shut people down,

‘I am all agog at learning of how many left lesbians and women have suddenly become radicalised far right extremists over the past few years.’

Relative to the far left, everyone’s a radicalised right wing extremist. You’d almost think...

And what would those sites be that we are linking to?

I am all agog at learning of how many left lesbians and women have suddenly become radicalised far right extremists over the past few years. Defying their decades of campaigning for the left and for women.

I’m not indulging in pigeon chess, but it’s worth remembering that for some so-called antifascists, “far right” just means “anyone I don’t agree with”.

Christians are just as, or more, likely to be non-white these days, btw.

Ah, you've been here before with that same claim, which is probably one of the most tortured I've ever seen.

Here is the other study on 'woke'.

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/05/18/what-does-woke-mean-britons

If you scroll to the end of these pages, you will find links to the data sets.

This study matches this yougov one.

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/12/22/cancel-culture-what-views-are-britons-afraid-expre

Which in turn was done as a follow up to Dr Frank Lunz's research published in may 2021. I will find that study as well and post it.

It defies logic that anyone after these studies keep showing the truth of the matter continues to push the belief that the current group of 18-28 year olds are 'the most tolerant' age group. I wish that people would stop pushing that because it simply shows that even the word 'tolerant' has been changed to mean the opposite to make some people feel better about their actions.

They’re random links. I can’t see where they go and I’m not clicking on those.

I'm saying the three terms are used interchangebaly on the far right sites which are frequently linked to on here by some of the far right posters who are trying to push their ideology

@antifascist do you mean Cultural Bolshevism? So you are stating that Cultural Bolshevism became Cultural Marxism which has now become Cultural Socialism?

Cultural Marxism

"cultural socialism " Note the way it is deemed to be against the white Christian way of life

You're welcome.