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summerpuddings This is a TRA smear campaign. "In her book, Joyce cites three billionaires, two of whom are Jewish, who have funded various transactivist activities. This apparently is all that is needed for trans activists to declare that Joyce is promoting “a global Big Pharma conspiracy funded by Jewish billionaires”.

Furthermore as also mentioned in the article at the link "She mentions two billionaires. She [Joyce] doesn't accuse them of shadowy machinations or obvious tropes. Doesn't mention their ethnicity. If that's antisemitic, is it at all possible to criticise George Soros?"

To be perfectly clear, summerpuddings, it was the TRAs out to smear Joyce that mention that two of the billionaires cited are Jewish.

Anti-Semitism allegations were also extended to others who tweeted in support of the book, including David Baddiel, author of Jews Don’t Count, a book about how people ignore the history of anti-Semitism, and Times Columnist David Aaronovitch.

Note Joyce's response

I see a number of people are accusing me of antisemitism. This is profoundly untrue, hurtful and damaging. I will give people who have tweeted such accusations 48 hours to delete their tweets. If this isn't done I will consider legal action.
2:39 pm · 17 Jul 2021·Twitter Web App

Read more at: www.womenarehuman.com/trans-activists-smear-author-of-trans-when-ideology-meets-reality/

#MeToo is really antisemitic because Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein are/were Jewish.

My (limited) understanding of the wider movement is that it literally rejects the concepts of truth and reality other than -

(1) The individuals own truth (eg, I am a TW, therefore I am a woman)

(2) The reality of power, privilege and oppression, a reality in which trans people are relatively underprivileged compared to non-trans, etc.

In other words if you're not talking about oppression or your own truth (which may be demonstrably false) then your words have no meaning.

Interestingly, in a whole book full of factual references, that was the only thing her attackers could come up with. IIRC she referred to the known billionaires who had funded trans ideology and some of them happened to be Jewish — which she didn't mention, possibly. didn't even know. They couldn't criticise her research or conclusions, so they accused her of anti-Semitism instead. It was desperate.

Blimy, yes!

Maybe we do all have a hive mind afterall 🤔

Do you know what I am feeling right now? should we have the sushi or sausage roll from Tesco for lunch?

What stuns me is the way that otherwise intelligent people use such ad hominem attacks without ever engaging with the substance of the issue. Can they not see just how weak the TRA case is? They are not campaigning for equality and rights, which they already have in law and which no one seriously disputes. They are pushing aside other disadvantaged groups and medically sterilising vulnerable children.

That’s genuinely impressive since they’re hyperfixating on one paragraph out of 600 pages or so, which mentions three names of billionaires and doesn’t refer to any of them being Jewish, (and only two of them are.)

It would be great if my prediction actually was impressive but it's not. JKR was accused of anti-Semitism despite not mentioning anyone Jewish in the HP books. I knew they would make the accusation when I saw George Soros mentioned, I don't know which of the other two are Jewish. As a PP said its like watching toddlers smear shit on a wall.

My copy of the book is only about 300 pages long, have I only got half a copy?

God, they're so boring, aren't they? Like toddlers smearing shit on a wall.

Yes. Yes, it is.

I very much doubt the people accusing her read the book

Well, at least one of them had to read it, at least enough to find the paragraph that has the names of two Jewish people in it. That happened remarkably quickly after the book was published, presumably because as I said, they were desperately combing through it looking for muck to rake.

The one who struck paydirt will then have posted a screenshot on social media to signal to all the other TRAs who yes, of course didn’t read it, to join the pile on.

www.thehelenjoyce.com/a-wild-ride/

Joyce addresses it herself. Jennifer Bilek- accused of antisemitism, has written for Tablet magazine (an excellent Jewish magazine, do read it) on the trans issue. JK Rowling has also been accused of antisemitism. You get the picture -this is a pure smear tactic and it devalues the accuser more than anything.

i think they started this about a week after the book came out, this thread is just late to the party! They must have been desperately combing through it for any conceivable muck to rake.

I very much doubt the people accusing her read the book. The standard approach is to say anyone they don't like is transphobic, homophobic, racist, antisemitic and disablist then trot out vague nonsense if asked to justify the accusation.

So predictable but it took longer than I thought it would

i think they started this about a week after the book came out, this thread is just late to the party! They must have been desperately combing through it for any conceivable muck to rake.

I knew when I read the book they would make this accusation sooner or later

That’s genuinely impressive since they’re hyperfixating on one paragraph out of 600 pages or so, which mentions three names of billionaires and doesn’t refer to any of them being Jewish, (and only two of them are.)

I’d never even have noticed the paragraph, never mind predicted it would be the focal point of TRA panto!

So predictable but it took longer than I thought it would. I knew when I read the book they would make this accusation sooner or later. Maybe I should apply for the position of head of TRA propaganda.

The way they reach you would be forgiven for thinking there was no actual anti-semitism in the world. It's offensive to trivialise it.

I never thought of that. Maybe I’m not as cynical as I thought. If they are Doin that then they are even nastier scum than I thought, and I didn’t think anyone could be

She doesn't mention anyone being Jewish. I'm not even sure anyone referenced is Jewish except George Soros.

Also Pritzker. The third Jewish billionaire Twitter was making a fuss about her talking about was Jon Stryker, but they then conceded that he's not Jewish.

But apparently lots of far-right anti-semites say he's Jewish, so that's just even more conclusive proof of her anti-semitism.

Sorry to derail by the way. I have read Helen’s book and have no idea where the accusations come from, it’s just seems desperate.

@Conflictedunicorn yes, language is how we describe concepts. Muddy the language and you have clear aim at the concepts. It works all ways for this lobby - devalue words, obscure their meanings, over- and mis-use them, use too many of them etc. You see the resulting confusion on places like Twitter, yesterday someone said ‘….because trans females are females’. It was hard to know what they actually meant or to answer it in any meaningful way. Now that we are actually beginning to have open debates because of the issues in sports, I think the abuse of language will get even worse in an attempt to keep ‘no debate’ alive.

Because it’s somehow her fault that several of the financial backers of trans medicine are Jewish. She shouldn’t name them because they’re Jewish, or something.

She doesn't mention anyone being Jewish. I'm not even sure anyone referenced is Jewish except George Soros.

It's like bratty immature kids hurling any insults they can muster against someone who disagrees with them.

I've seen accusations of anti-semitism, racism, white supremacism at people who dare to disagree with DQST! And at GCs too.

Of course thanks to social media it all has to be an overarching dark conspiracy! Can't just be reasonable people asking for others to be reasonable.

..accusations of anti Semitism, racism, nazi, etc that the TRA throw around Willy nilly actually devalue these words and ideas

Haha isn't devaluing words the TRA core principle?

Because it’s somehow her fault that several of the financial backers of trans medicine are Jewish. She shouldn’t name them because they’re Jewish, or something.