Midwives told sex is "assigned"

And in all my long life, I’d never heard of a baby’s sex being ‘assigned’ until recently, in trans contexts.

Well, it was used in DSD contexts to talk about either sex incorrectly recorded, or surgical procedures that were done.

It absolutely was not used for an accurate recording of sex - as Discovereads (faux?) naively claims it means.

Trans activists appropriated it to create the implication that the actual correct sex was "wrong", unlike the self-claimed sex. The implication of it being wrong is intended. That's why the word is being used, not the more sensible "recorded".

This contrived language is yet another example of TRAs using DSDs, and the language developed for the most complex of these cases, to muddy the waters and compel us to use ridiculous new terms.

The aim is to impose legal language/ terms that make it impossible to defend women's sex-based rights (which they also insist women do not have in this country).

No, thank you, I will not be using 'sex assigned at birth' and will challenge its usage anywhere I can safely do so.

Assigning simply means deciding and choosing whichever sex the baby is based on visual identification
it does not. Ffs!

How?

Where's the policy and guidance? How exactly is it assigned?

I'm sure this was demanded of the Royal College of Midwives who had to admit this is just a lot of Woke virtue signalling. It's lying. Everyone fucking knows its lying. Everyone knows they are only repeating a lie to be 'nice' because they've been told to.

We have generations of adults running around talking absolute bollocks on command while knowing full well it's total bollocks, and behind us is a group of kids without the life experience yet to know it's bollocks and a lot of intentional lying to be nice, and hiding the truth to be nice, and not mentioning the truth to be nice, who are going to be very, very confused. And very pissed off when it dawns on them just how totally fucked up they have been in their understanding of the world from a lot of very stupid adults in positions of responsibility with no boundaries and no basic common sense. And apparently neither the resilience nor training to know how to handle a difficult political lobby who throw whopping tantrums whenever they're not given exactly what they want.

Yes, it is.

I love the Daily Mail’s intro: Midwives have today denounced claims they 'assign' the sex of children at birth

iI can hear them now.
”You assigned that baby male, I saw you do it!”
”I bloody didn’t!”

Yes. Assigned does not mean the same as observed. It means more like ‘given’. And in all my long life, I’d never heard of a baby’s sex being ‘assigned’ until recently, in trans contexts.

Absolutely correct.
It's also why birth certificates WHICH ARE A LEGAL RECORD OF A BIRTH AND BELONG TO THE CHILD, not the parent, should reflect biological truth and reality.

I vehemently disagree with being able to change your birth certificate in this instance because of a "gender" identity. I'm NOT talking about cases of DSDs where the sex was incorrectly recorded at birth due to ambiguous genitalia.

If we can "re-assign" or change actual concrete facts, why can't we change the birth date if we feel like it? The occupation of the father or mother? (I want to be an international best selling author and I want the father to be a hospital consultant. While I'm at it I want the birth date changed because I didn't want my baby to be born on a Wednesday. Can we change the birth weight too please, my baby identifies as skinnier than that.)

Birth records are legal documents which capture a true and accurate picture of the circumstances of the birth.
They are not an extension of someone's whims and fancies depending on how they feel or what ideology they currently subscribe to.

Record the FACTS of the birth, not an arbitrary "assigning" of anything.

It's deliberate phrasing to advance the TRA agenda, as evidenced in this draft law paper from Columbia University.

'Abstract
Transgender rights discussions often turn on the distinction be-tween “gender identity” and “sex assigned at birth.” Gender identity is a person’s own internal sense of whether they are a man, a woman, or nonbinary. “Sex assigned at birth” means the “male” or “female” designation that doctors ascribe to infants based on genitalia and is marked on their birth records. Sex assigned at birth is intended to displace the concept of “biological sex.”

This Article provides an account of the origins of the terms “biological sex” and “sex assigned at birth” and assesses the potential of the shift to sex assigned at birth for transgender rights arguments...' papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4032865
Lots more interesting stuff in the actual paper, download is free.

Would love to hear whether you still think GC women should just roll over and stop 'hair-splitting' after reading that @Discovereads

All absolutely true and irrefutable.

but......

wait for it......

"wat abowt intersex" etc etc etc ad nauseum

Around and around it goes.

DS2's sex was confirmed from his DNA when I had amniocentesis at ~16 weeks.

The assigned at birth always annoys me.

Sex is determined at conception. One sperm fertilises the egg. The chromosome from the egg will be X. If the sperm carries a Y chromosome then the embryo will be XY and a boy will develop. If the sperm carried an X then the embryo is XX and a girl will develop.

The sex may then be observed at a scan or at birth. It cannot be assigned because it is already there.

Biological sex cannot be changed even with hormones or surgery. The chromosomes are the same for life.

'Gender' was for a long time used as a euphemism to refer to sex, but the present day understanding of 'gender' is that it's chosen according to how you feel. It is a belief about yourself. This is clearly very different from sex which is physical and unchanging. It is also why transwomen are not actually women.

Or maybe they're given total discretion?
"Oh, you wanted a girl, Mrs O'Leary? No problem at all; ignore the penis, I'll just record that one as a girl for you. Isn't this new system great!!"

Are they given any guidance as to how to make this "assignment"? I'm guessing it works exactly how it used to; by genital observation...
Fucking muppets.

And they will relay that because they're told it. Just like they will relay anything they are told and why their advice is not really advice, it's just repetition of protocol that could be completely factually incorrect.

Sorry "our" not "are"

People who think the difference between assign and observe/recorded clearly are not aware of the significance of language creep and how, after time, it changes are perception of reality,

The only people splitting hairs on this really are the groups who want to believe that biological sex isn't a "thing". It's noted/recorded, it isn't assigned.

In lighter moments I wonder whether there should be a Harry Potter type of sorting hat in maternity units or one of those lottery ball machines with blue and pink balls in it if we're "assigning".

But why is this done at birth?

The sex is assigned by nature and the type of sperms used to fertilise the egg and this is done long long before birth. It is not possible to assign a sex at birth - it was already assigned months ago.

But why is this done at birth?

The sex is assigned by nature and the type of sperms used to fertilise the egg and this is done long long before birth. It is not possible to assign a sex at birth - it was already assigned months ago.

It is fixed at conception.

Nobody is assigning anything.

Hope that helps.

I wonder how these same midwives would react if parents disagreed with the assignation and asked for the other sex to be assigned instead. Very helpful for hereditary titles...

"Assigning" something gives a degree of flexibility though, no?
Sex cannot be "assigned" or "un-assigned" because it is fixed.

Sex is determined at the point of conception, it is not "assigned" anywhere.
All you can do at birth is confirm the biological reality of a) penis = male b) vagina = female, ambiguous genitalia = possible DSD, further testing required.

Sex is fixed.

But some are "assigned" during the 20 week scan, or through a NIPT test, or at a private scan. Or their sex is already known because a male/female embryo was implanted.

It's inaccurate terminology.

Sex is noted at birth.