Is Pride really just turning in to one big kink fest?

These attacks are usually by men - male violence. Which women are also subject to.
We are not responsible for male violence, it is not our problem to solve. So why are you on Mumsnet lecturing a bunch of women about male violence?
Homophobic attitudes aren't just a man /male violence thing!
Lots of women have homophobic views too.
To pass it off "as it's by men, nowt to do with us women" is ridiculous.

Why is Pride necessary for LGB anyway? I thought they had all their rights and freedoms sorted for years now.

I agree with this, it's gone far enough now
Wow.
Really?
Do you hear that gay, lesbian and bi people?!
What do you even need Pride for anyway, why aren't you happy with your lot?!
It's gone far enough now, you hear?
You've got your rights.
Sit down now.
🙄
I'd say it was even more needed now with so much division, can gay people happily kiss in the middle of the streets or walk down them holding hands like I can with my husband without fear of possible physical or verbal abuse?
No.

These attacks are usually by men - male violence. Which women are also subject to.
We are not responsible for male violence, it is not our problem to solve. So why are you on Mumsnet lecturing a bunch of women about male violence?

Also, I would just like to point out that some police forces categorise misgendering and not agreeing with gender ideology as 'hate crimes;, so I would be wary of those figures. Believing in biology is not a hate crime,

My BIL is gay and wanted us to go to the local Pride parade with him as a fun family day out. We completely love and support him, but DH and I decided the risk of DC seeing ridiculously unnecessary sexual nonsense was too high, so DC and I made other plans and DH went along with BIL. He came back with quite a few interesting stories, so ends up we made the right decisions. I can completely understand why it seems more and more gay people are 'not finding any pride in Pride'.

There should be marshalls there to remove people like him. An outsider will only see a flasher wearing a rabbit mask to attract children and make them see more than the law allows. And then they'll notice people waving flags and grinning. It's not a good look.

The whole point of Pride originally was to show that the LGB was just like straight people. Just ordinary men and women who happened to love people of the same sex. The most shocking thing was opening snogging in the street.

The kinkfest is bringing all the homophobia out. Lesbians are invisible as are the boring old gay men who are bank managers and bus conductors, ambulance men and actuaries.

The corporates will back off. And all the progress we've made over the last 20 years since Section 28 was repealed will be lost.

I agree that there seems to be an unintended consequence of all the Pride stuff….more homophobia.

It by its very nature creates a ‘them’ and ‘us’ which obviously incites conflict. If I’m brutally honest, if you’d have quizzed me 10 years ago about my views on LGB stuff, I would have been much more nothing than I am now. I’ve been told for many years I’m a cos vanilla / straight/ privileged white Karen etc. that it does start to grate: I’d like to think we are more than who we chose to shag, but yeah, it grates on you over time.

Group identity politics are always the path to disaster.

Exactly.

For the 21/22 season, there are 569 players in the men's Premier League. 2% of people identified as lesbian, gay or bisexual in 2017 (according to ONS). That would mean there are likely to be roughly 11 or 12 gay or bisexual men playing just in the prem - and not one of them is out.

It's really sad, how the movement has been hijacked. Last time I went to Pride was probably 2005(!) and while it wasn't for kids, neither was it advertised as being so, nor did it have the kind of stuff we see going on now. Yes it was a bit edgy but no one was parading naked.

I particularly feel for lesbians in all this. And pre-2015, while LGB people had achieved legal equality (just, same-sex marriage was 2014), no it wasn't totally fine and dandy and we don't need to worry. But we've gone backwards, and I always find revisiting this to be sobering:

users.ox.ac.uk/~sfos0060/LGBT_figures.shtml
LGBT facts and figures
Michael Biggs

Interesting first post.....

We have one curerntly playing openly gay professional male footballer in the UK (which would be a statistical anomaly, and suggests there are many many more who are still closeted). He received an absolute shitload of abusive comments (amid support, thankfully) when he came out recently

and the only openly gay footballer since Justin Fashanu, who died in 1998.

nearly 25 years ago. There has not been one footballer who felt he could be open about his sexuality in the last 25 years

We have one curerntly playing openly gay professional male footballer in the UK (which would be a statistical anomaly, and suggests there are many many more who are still closeted). He received an absolute shitload of abusive comments (amid support, thankfully) when he came out recently.

Kelly Holmes has just come out, at 52, and it was headline news. Some of the comments I've seen online about it are horrifying.

A gay couple were attacked by some teenagers in Southampton in May because they were holding hands. A man in his 60s brutally attacked in Liverpool, also in May. A gay doctor was murdered in Cardiff last year.

In fact, hate crimes related to sexual orientation and gender identity have increased year on year since 2015 (according to government data) and in the year to March 2020 in England and Wales, sexual orientation hate crimes rose by 19% to 15,835.

That's just the UK. Just last week there was a mass shooting in a gay bar in Oslo and the Pulse nightclub shooting in the US was just a few years ago.

So no, it's not 'gone far enough' and it doesn't need 'dialing back'. People are still routinely discriminated against, attacked and murdered for their sexuality, in the UK and elsewhere.

Everything else aside, this is a spectacularly shitty comment to make.

Pride for LGBTQ+ people was a reaction to the abuse, attacks and systemic oppression faced by people in that community. Pride was to show that they weren't afraid, refused to stay hidden, and wanted to show they were not ashamed of who they were.

It is not making a fucking fuss, nor should they be forced to 'do it quietly'.

Straight people are not persecuted, oppressed, or abused for being straight so even your stupid comment about having Pride for being straight and co-opting the struggles of so many people is frankly a bit disgusting.

Kink at Pride is one thing and I can understand being uncomfortable with that. But to correlate 'one guy being gross' with 'everyone at Pride is making a fuss about being gay and I don't really know why' is... not it.

Not a sexual preference though. And Queer is now mainly used by heterosexual people to describe themselves.

Oh and you were deluded if you think Laurence Fox gives one shiny shite about women's rights remaining intact.

When I used to go to pride in London in the 1980s, there was a bit of leather and that was it.

It was lesbians and gay men wearing jeans and vests, marching to the park by the Oval and then drinking.

I have photos and there were no: furries, trans (except for the odd drag queen), bdsm, adult babies, or naked stuff.

There were no kids either.

The bid to make it family friendly/corporate happened in parallel with the fetishists parading their kink on the street.

What has that got to do with pride? No one cares what kind of sex you're into.

Last year when I went there were A LOT of men in leather dog masks and on leads. I don't like that look at all and it frightens me a bit to be honest but I don't know why.

Laurence Fox does not give an 'opposing view'. This is a man who made his Twitter profile picture a fucking swastika, purely for the attention. He doesn't make any points, he just stirs shit and stokes division. We do not need pricks like him in any way shape or form.

its the latest bandwagon, and now businesses have to be seen to celebrate and take part, including my employer which has changed the company logo to rainbow, had badges made, email signature options change from or in addition to the pronouns, workshop invitations with specially invited guests, etc. Not anti Pride or anything diverse or inclusive but i have no interest in this so please leave me alone to get my work done

Yeah, this is no time for party politics, as Baroness Nicholson said on Sunday. These are issues that need a coalition of everyone and we'll sort out who is on whose Christmas card list when women and homosexual people and kids have their rights left intact.

Much bigger issues to worry about.

None of my lesbian mates go to any pride stuff these days. We all used to go when I lived in Brighton and then just stopped because they felt completely unwelcome.

Personally I don’t think pride is for children point blank. The world has come along way in recent years, children generally know they’re free to be who they want and by the time they grow up the world will be even more open.
but they don’t need to get involved in the celebration of adults sexual preferences and they definitely shouldn’t be witness to deviant pervs like this one.

LF is the counterbalance to NO DEBATE.

Good to see him challenging the RTAs at last. If they have a decent argument against his points, that's good. But throwing your toys out of the prams is not good enough when faced with an opposing view.

I think it is very deliberate that he has his interview with KJK as his pinned post, just as he is getting loads of attention for his swastika profile picture. He knows exactly what he is doing and it's a shame KJK allowed herself to be manipulated by it tbh.

His video he put out yesterday about Kathy Burke was also absolutely pathetic and so transparent. What a cunt he is.