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You’ve lost menopause now in the UK

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TheSandgroper · 28/06/2022 12:05

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10957533/Now-NHS-quietly-removes-word-women-MENOPAUSE-page.html

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BootsAndRoots · 05/07/2022 17:16

The context of the page has changed from it being a natural thing to something being caused by surgery (clearly with trans men in mind, and I don't even know what actually happens with them if they're receiving large doses of testosterone at the same time).

No doubt someone at the NHS is looking at everything related to women and removing any mention of women from it. That person's salary could be spent on another nurse.

Really the NHS should provide separate pages about what to expect if you change sex, but we know medical practitioners don't want to tell people what to expect after surgery, just get them on the surgery table.

MenopausalMe · 05/07/2022 17:05

MenopausalMe · 30/06/2022 19:19

The nhs digital team are not very quick at changing the page back on Mr Javid’s request. It still doesn’t mention women

5th July and still no change to the page..

ChocAndAwe · 01/07/2022 16:40

Bollocks to that. I've made a complaint and written to Mr Javid as well.

What kind of fools do they take us for?

nepeta · 01/07/2022 16:00

sslz82pe · 01/07/2022 15:15

Who is the 'you' they mean when they talk about menopause?

What if a man reads the page to understand about his wife's menopause? The 'you' wouldn't make sense then, would it? I know I am looking at the logical semantics rather than the bigger and more important question. But what kind of moron do they get writing these bloody webpages? I've contacted gov dot on more than one occasion about their inability to differentiate between 'less' and 'fewer'. They're bloody imbeciles.

And their explanation, rinse and repeat, is that they are making things clearer and more relevant!

They are in the business of making women unmentionable, that's what their goal is. 'Men' can be mentioned, but 'women' can only be mentioned in, say, the expression 'trans women.'

This truly is the worst time for feminism in the West for several decades. Rape is in practice not really a crime in the UK anymore, as the likelihood of being sentenced for it is close to nil, young women online complain of young men thinking that women like being slapped and choked and debased in sex, surrogacy and sex work are promoted as good career choices for poor women, and the very sex that these things happen to is becoming invisible and impossible to discuss,.

sslz82pe · 01/07/2022 15:15

Who is the 'you' they mean when they talk about menopause?

What if a man reads the page to understand about his wife's menopause? The 'you' wouldn't make sense then, would it? I know I am looking at the logical semantics rather than the bigger and more important question. But what kind of moron do they get writing these bloody webpages? I've contacted gov dot on more than one occasion about their inability to differentiate between 'less' and 'fewer'. They're bloody imbeciles.

wantmorenow · 01/07/2022 09:53

Email sent too , fucking ridiculous

MenopausalMe · 30/06/2022 19:19

The nhs digital team are not very quick at changing the page back on Mr Javid’s request. It still doesn’t mention women

zen1 · 29/06/2022 16:10

And yet the information on the ‘male menopause’ still mentions men plenty of times. Obviously a more important condition. Unbelievable.
www.nhs.uk/conditions/male-menopause/

juno1 · 29/06/2022 11:56

I have emailed the NHS website feedback form and Sajid Javeed. It doesn't feel like much but it allows me to let off steam.

TheUsualChaos · 29/06/2022 09:02

WTAF. I'm too angry to write a coherent post sorry. Just so in despair about what is happening to women right now 😞

mumda · 29/06/2022 08:56

For anyone in any doubt about what's been removed
web.archive.org/web/20210416062339/www.nhs.uk/conditions/menopause/

The magic way back when machine shows you.

You can pick other archive record dates.

I have just emailed.

Musomama1 · 29/06/2022 08:43

Live4weekend · 28/06/2022 21:31

Although I do wonder - if you are a child now whose gender identity has been validated and actively encouraged by your parents and school, how the fuc will you know what you are when you are older?

How will you know if its a prostate of a cervix you have?

I am joking a bit - but i don't think it's completely unfeasible.

And they are going to be a hell of a lot of law suits against parents / teachers / Dr's - 'you told me I was a girl and now I have prostate cancer'.

Could happen, I've been fudging my age for years and now am befuddled when asked how old I am.

EaselArt · 29/06/2022 08:18

this is great news. We are supposed to vilify the right and yet on so many things they seem to stand up for individuals and women. Where is the left on this. It’s a shame that the Tories are also home to MPs like ReeseMogg who are definitely in politics to make money. Because the old style Tories are more like what the Lib Dems used to be like before they went TWAW

Clymene · 29/06/2022 05:40

For those women not on Twitter, his tweet says: "Language matters. I have made clear that the word ‘woman’ should not be removed from key women’s health pages.

I have been assured that the changes highlighted below, as well as others, are being reversed."

With screenshots from the mail article

Clymene · 29/06/2022 04:55

HelenMirrensWeightedBlanket · 29/06/2022 00:02

FYI - it is more likely that this is a stylistic change than a political one. The gov.uk style guide (which covers pages on the nhs website) says:

”Address the user as ‘you’ where possible and avoid using gendered pronouns like ‘he’ and ‘she’. Content on the site often makes a direct appeal to citizens and businesses to get involved or take action: ‘You can contact HMRC by phone and email’ or ‘Pay your car tax’, for example.”

source: www.gov.uk/guidance/style-guide/a-to-z-of-gov-uk-style

If someone was reviewing these pages recently (which happens regularly), they will have been told to change ‘women’ to ‘you’ for this reason.

It’s far more likely that ‘male’ and ‘men’ will shortly be removed from the pages about testicular and prostate cancer (and be replaced with ‘you’), than it is that ‘women’ will be reinstated. The idea is to make the content speak more directly to the reader.

I'm afraid that's bollocks.

The NHS prostate cancer pages were updated in October. It is virtually all in the first person (you) format. But it also uses male, brother, father and the word men appears 15 times.

The menopause pages do not mention women or female once until the very last page when there is a link to a video of 'women talking about the menopause'. That it

This is a deliberate policy.

pink85 · 29/06/2022 00:56

Funny how the prostate and testicular cancer pages still contain 'men' and the response I got when I complained about the NHS erasing the word woman was a load of guff. Its always us that are targeted Im so tired

HelenMirrensWeightedBlanket · 29/06/2022 00:16

Link to gov.uk style guide didn’t work for some reason. It’s at www.gov.uk/guidance/style-guide (scroll down to ‘addressing the user’ under A)

HelenMirrensWeightedBlanket · 29/06/2022 00:02

FYI - it is more likely that this is a stylistic change than a political one. The gov.uk style guide (which covers pages on the nhs website) says:

”Address the user as ‘you’ where possible and avoid using gendered pronouns like ‘he’ and ‘she’. Content on the site often makes a direct appeal to citizens and businesses to get involved or take action: ‘You can contact HMRC by phone and email’ or ‘Pay your car tax’, for example.”

source: www.gov.uk/guidance/style-guide/a-to-z-of-gov-uk-style

If someone was reviewing these pages recently (which happens regularly), they will have been told to change ‘women’ to ‘you’ for this reason.

It’s far more likely that ‘male’ and ‘men’ will shortly be removed from the pages about testicular and prostate cancer (and be replaced with ‘you’), than it is that ‘women’ will be reinstated. The idea is to make the content speak more directly to the reader.

Phobiaphobic · 28/06/2022 23:43

Also emailed Javid, but nothing like as eloquently as most of you.

Phobiaphobic · 28/06/2022 23:39

bellinisurge · 28/06/2022 16:51

There's a reason a lot of "GC" people are women going through the menopause. Some stupid little scrote with no life experience trying to tell women going through a major life changing biological process that biology doesn't matter. Dickwipes. And we are supposed to trust Our NHS with this biology denial shit.
It's never ejaculators and prostate havers.

Feeling every word of this.

AlisonDonut · 28/06/2022 23:28

Littlepaleale · 28/06/2022 23:03

the Fact ‘men’ is all over the prostate guidance says it all….

have posted a complaint via the nhs link and written to Sajid. Thanks for sharing links

They never seem to wrestle with the complicated sex is not a binary definitions when they are talking about men, that's for damn sure.

Complicated versus uncomplicated. Sounds like a binary to me.

Littlepaleale · 28/06/2022 23:03

the Fact ‘men’ is all over the prostate guidance says it all….

have posted a complaint via the nhs link and written to Sajid. Thanks for sharing links

Flyingbytheseatofmypullups · 28/06/2022 22:28

Maybe I can now get the testosterone I’ve been declined (as a woman)?

Yirk · 28/06/2022 22:23

Emailed...sick of this bull...

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