Boris Johnson speaks again

Johnson has done nothing except lie, there are still men in womens prisons etc, he hasn't actually done anything about that despite being in power for some time now. I do think other parties would at least be considering third spaces or something. I couldn't vote Tory either way, they have lied and lied, all but destroyed education t,he NHS and the economy. They are allowing a masochistic bullying selfish man child to remain in charge and that shows that they do not care about this country. Any man who treats women as he has done in his life should not be making decisions for a whole country full of women. We should be led by example. My opinion though, I appreciate that we can have these fora to debate these issues without aggression or being silenced.

Any politician that says that women have penises, or that TWAW, or men can be Lesbians, or that biological sex doesn't exist or matter is a Liar.

So we have dozens of politicians, including the majority of the shadow cabinet and it's leader Kier Starmer, joining the Prime Minister being on public record as Liars.

And as people are keen to point out about Boris Johnson, once you show yourself as a Liar on one thing, who the hell should trust you on anything else you say.

I will never vote for any politician that lies about bioligical reality, who is willing to betray women and their sex based rights and to sacrifice our children's safeguarding on the alter of identity ideology. Whatever their political affiliation.

I think this is an accurate interpretation.

So have they figured out people are done with #nodebate.

So have now moved on to #wrongtimefordebate ?

Boris talking about it a few weeks ago and reaffirming his position recently has meant this issue is not an internal culture war within the Tory party. They can answer the what is a woman question confidently ( hence it goes away as an issue for them and they can move beyond it) That in itself is enough. For labour this will remain a problem as they cannot answer this question confidently as their leader can’t. That makes Boris a leader and Keir not a leader on this issue.

This. He'd make the right noises but remain in the pocket of the TRAs so far as actions go.

I'm going to need to see something concrete before I vote for him again.

Starmer can’t tell you what a woman is

He is a mealy-mouthed coward

the alternative to Johnson is no better and at least he has the guts to speak the truth

Actually maybe even worse if self ID happens and other

And once it happens we can see it takes decades to change back if possible

suspect you could have a more sensible and open debate with him though.

the big problem with Starmer is he’ll sound like he’s on the side of women but will fudge language to the extent that he means men too

It’s not open or sensible

If people wait to talk about it after he’s in I’m concerned all the small gains will be lost and we’ll be back to where we were at the peak of it all

The Tories were the party who were going to introduce self ID. They didn't. A growing body of evidence and anecdotes has persuaded them that the issue is more complicated than a simple matter of inclusion.
As ever, words are one thing and deeds another.
Labour are not showing themselves to be friends to women on this issue.
I don't know about the tide turning, but I am hopeful that a more considered conversation on the issues arising is looking more likely now.

And you believe Johnson will achieve more? Well that's for you to believe. I don't think he is a man who will ever put the country ahead of his own desperate need to have more and more money and power.

Starmer is not PM and I haven't seen enough of him to decide, I suspect you could have a more sensible and open debate with him though. Johnson has proven he is a liar and cannot be trusted. He treats women like dirt on his shoes.

And prisons.

Starmer says some women have penises, so do you doubt him or believe him as leader of the labour party?

at least the conservatives are starting the conversation on women's rights - and there are a few politicians who are starting to offer support for single sex spaces, sport etc.

”culture wars “ are generally started by the hard left imo and then when everyone else says hang on a minute to their plans for society they claim the right have started a culture war and hasn’t everyone got more important things to worry about. It’s such hypocrisy

Trouble is he constantly lies. Saying only that which he feels will make people like him. I think it is clear by his previous treatment of women that he has absolutely no respect for them. I could never vote for a man who treats or views women like he does. His actions speak louder than his lying words.

they are hopefully getting there. there is a bigger problem of the civil service/local government "blob" being unwilling to change. there are so many diversity champions now so embedded within those organisations that I can't see them giving up their Stonewall directed "rights as we would like them to be stated" beliefs that they have crept into policies and information

ie education - EA is frequently misstated at a high level as gender not sex. and that's the high level stuff that the public can see

nhs - nhs digital is a disgrace for removing the word women from loads of online health information, and then there is the whole scandal of single wards that contain men

I could go on and on.........

Important enough to them to try and erode women’s rights over a decade without caring about women

I’m glad the tide is turning

I loathe the tories. But one thing you can’t blame them for is the ‘culture war’. The gender identity movement, with all its attendant censorship and misogyny, is pushed by liberals and those who call themselves left wing. Conservatives have no reason to back it. They (like most people) know that humans can’t change sex. And they have no political reason to pretend they do.

This Tory party is no friend of women, but they'll say anything to keep the flames of the culture wars burning

Another poster using very similar terminology to others in FWR posts.

The Tory Party is a poor friend to women, however the alternatives are enemies.