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Boris Johnson speaks again

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achillestoes · 27/06/2022 06:48

He says if you’re born with a penis you’re a man. He reiterates his three concerns about trans issues: Gillick competence for children receiving transitioning treatments, women’s spaces, sports. He says we need to treat people with sensitivity but he sees no reason to dissent from what FINA say is appropriate in women’s swimming.

These comments are reported in the Daily Mail and he made them on his Rwanda trip.

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FOJN · 27/06/2022 09:30

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 27/06/2022 09:00

I'm fully and horribly aware of the contrast.

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Sorry if that seemed confrontational, it was an add on rather than a challenge.

guinnessguzzler · 27/06/2022 09:30

Well said @IvyTwines

Circumferences · 27/06/2022 09:29

Another one here who used to be so left wing I joined Labour and supported Corbyn.

Then there was Lily Madigan.

Here I am now supporting the fucking Tories.

Thanks Labour I can't believe what you have done.

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achillestoes · 27/06/2022 09:29

So Starmer sees childhood transition in the context of human rights - the human right of a child to demand sterilisation and anorgasmia. We know this, otherwise he would have done the decent thing and spoken out against his own activists by now. Dangerous.

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MarshaBradyo · 27/06/2022 09:29

Even if a woman displays characteristics that a gendered society associates with men why does it matter?

They are still a woman.

That HH quote amazes me for the sheer length some will go to shoot themselves in the foot

TheLassWiADelicateAir · 27/06/2022 09:28

achillestoes · 27/06/2022 09:00

The other day I was listening to Harriet Harman talking about female Tory PMs. It was pointed out that the Tories have twice elected a female leader. ‘But they did it by out-manning the men,’ she said.

What does that even mean?

Don't you know? Margaret Thatcher and Theresa May might be women , but they aren't the right sort of women.

Add also in the case of Mrs May " and nobody else wanted the job anyway"

rogdmum · 27/06/2022 09:26

This is what Keir Starmer had to say about gender dysphoria and children/adolescents when he came on here trying to win votes from us.

Many many parents (including myself) have tried to engage him on the issue since he became Labour Leader. Every single one of us has been ignored or rebuffed. Some of the things I’ve seen his office say to parents are quite awful.

He has no interest in getting involved in the issue.

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achillestoes · 27/06/2022 09:26

‘The claim is that they were not “real” or “proper” women.

They were.’

Exactly. I don’t remember much about Thatcher but Theresa May is hardly ‘masculine’ or ‘behaving like a man’. She’s a female leader. It’s a thing.

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FemmeNatal · 27/06/2022 09:24

achillestoes · 27/06/2022 09:00

The other day I was listening to Harriet Harman talking about female Tory PMs. It was pointed out that the Tories have twice elected a female leader. ‘But they did it by out-manning the men,’ she said.

What does that even mean?

Gender politics. The claim is that they were not “real” or “proper” women.

They were.

Terfydactyl · 27/06/2022 09:21

HappyHappyHermit · 27/06/2022 08:12

Starmer is not PM and I haven't seen enough of him to decide, I suspect you could have a more sensible and open debate with him though. Johnson has proven he is a liar and cannot be trusted. He treats women like dirt on his shoes.

Starmer wants to be PM though and yet he cannot or will not tell you what a woman is. He inspires no confidence that were he to become PM we would be in a better position and this after his legal knowledge and previous job.

Boris lies WE KNOW yet he will tell you a woman is exactly who shes always been and as he currently is in charge he is or his party is the one we campaign to or at. We stand a chance with current party, no chance with labour.
Boris treats women like fuck buddies, starmer has no idea which of us is women.

IvyTwines · 27/06/2022 09:04

If Labour activists monitor these boards as fervently as trans activists do, hello, I'm a former Labour party member of decades standing, on the Left of the party but not the 'Momentum' Left, and I quit over this issue. I know how hard women struggled to give me, a woman, the right to vote and I would love to have a party I felt safe voting for, but right now I don't. Your stance on this issue is a gift to any party that simply states reality and biological fact to remind us how far down the misogynistic, homophobic, fantasy-world rabbit hole you have gone. I hope you see sense and start acting like adults again before the children I know whose parents are caught up in this ideology have irreversible operations.

MarshaBradyo · 27/06/2022 09:02

From her…

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achillestoes · 27/06/2022 09:00

The other day I was listening to Harriet Harman talking about female Tory PMs. It was pointed out that the Tories have twice elected a female leader. ‘But they did it by out-manning the men,’ she said.

What does that even mean?

Women can’t implement certain policies?

odd remark

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 27/06/2022 09:00

FOJN · 27/06/2022 08:55

Obama promised women in the US that he would confirm their right to abortion, that it would be one of the first things he'd do when he attained office.

I saw a Biden tweet from 2019 saying the same thing. What was the executive order he signed on his first day in office?

I'm fully and horribly aware of the contrast.

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achillestoes · 27/06/2022 09:00

The other day I was listening to Harriet Harman talking about female Tory PMs. It was pointed out that the Tories have twice elected a female leader. ‘But they did it by out-manning the men,’ she said.

What does that even mean?

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FemmeNatal · 27/06/2022 08:57

carefullycourageous · 27/06/2022 07:14

They don't care about women's issues to actually do anything, they're just hot air. They are happy enough for rape to be decriminalised by the back door. This Tory party is no friend of women, but they'll say anything to keep the flames of the culture wars burning.

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They have produced two women Prime Ministers.

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achillestoes · 27/06/2022 08:56

‘What was the executive order he signed on his first day in office?’

Wait, I know this one...

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achillestoes · 27/06/2022 08:55

As for a more sensible debate with Starmer, he literally said we shouldn’t say only women have cervices. Johnson has never sounded more sensible than he does today.

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FOJN · 27/06/2022 08:55

Obama promised women in the US that he would confirm their right to abortion, that it would be one of the first things he'd do when he attained office.

I saw a Biden tweet from 2019 saying the same thing. What was the executive order he signed on his first day in office?

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achillestoes · 27/06/2022 08:54

‘Labour women's declaration have had to beg for him to even meet with them.’

Then he said he would and hasn’t.

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MarshaBradyo · 27/06/2022 08:53

I cannot trust anyone who says female and includes man, having tray written further into law worries me a huge amount

As US has shown us rights can be further removed in a day and take decades to get back

FOJN · 27/06/2022 08:53

Starmer is not PM and I haven't seen enough of him to decide, I suspect you could have a more sensible and open debate with him though.

Labour women's declaration have had to beg for him to even meet with them. I think Starmer is happy to make a fool of himself in media interviews as long as he doesn't have to look women in the face and repeat the same lies.

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achillestoes · 27/06/2022 08:53

There’s no appetite to overturn the right to an abortion in the UK. There are about ten votes in it.

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EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 27/06/2022 08:52

Obama promised women in the US that he would confirm their right to abortion, that it would be one of the first things he'd do when he attained office.

We know how that turned out. I have no reason to have confidence in UK politicians.

We can not put our trust in the rhetoric of politicians. I feel this is a counsel of despair and I trust none of them which is desperate.

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achillestoes · 27/06/2022 08:50

‘Any man who treats women as he has done in his life should not be making decisions for a whole country full of women. We should be led by example. My opinion though, I appreciate that we can have these fora to debate these issues without aggression or being silenced.’

Absolutely, and you’re free to vote for someone else to try to get that. My conscience won’t allow me to vote for anyone who doesn’t stand up against childhood transition.

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