Fck it. Just going to identify as agender as a GC feminist.

I also think that it's quasi religious and based on a faith position that many people don't subject these beliefs to any kind of rational examination.

I suppose so. The ones throwing around the threats on Twitter, and popping up here seem to have double-digit IQs, but yes, there are a fair few prominent academics who are very much on that side of the fence

Many people are very intelligent within a narrow sphere of knowledge but completely unable to think critically about other things.

One of the questions that has always bugged me is that if gender is a white colonial construct and other races do not subscribe to woman =female and male = man apart from when white people forced them to, so how come in all these other cultures, it is still women who are mistreated, and used as property. How did they know which sex were to have no rights before the white settlers came? Or did the white settlers convince them that those people without dangly bits didn’t deserve rights, and before that women were equal?

I suppose so. The ones throwing around the threats on Twitter, and popping up here seem to have double-digit IQs, but yes, there are a fair few prominent academics who are very much on that side of the fence.

@FemmeNatal you would be surprised by how many seriously educated people in the academic community are passionately committed to the TRA position.

placewherewebelong
Oppression is experienced by POC and Women. Stereotyping would also apply to both race and sex. Detransitioning would enable men and white individuals to regain privilege that would not be available to POC and women. What am I missing?

To me, the point of the matter is that since every single human fits under one or other (or many) of the gender ideology titles and we are all therefore under the trans umbrella, the whole thing is pointless and a distraction to the more important matters of women's rights and those with true gender dysphoria.

We should be teaching our young people to express their individuality fully without the need to surgically or chemically alter themselves.

I am also another one who would no doubt have been led down the gender ideology route as a teen - I am not feminine in the stereotypical sense and was often told I should have been born a boy. It's a very sad situation.

Can you imagine any other subject that people lobby so hard for but that they are completely unable to explain?

This is no different to a Catholic acting outraged when you ask why the host doesn’t taste of flesh if the transsubstantiation is supposed to be a literal one, rather than metaphorical.

I think this is why trans activists are never well-educated or intelligent; anyone who’s well-educated can see that the whole subject falls apart under even the most basic examination.

It's fascinating how those so steeped in this ideology struggle to explain it, evidence it, answer questions on it and get so very, very cross when asked to do so. We are just expected to nod along like donkeys.

YY.

Goaded? How so? Why can’t you explain why they are different?

Your response is pathetic, but completely as expected.

It is so frustrating not to be given a well thought out, logical answer though! I genuinely want to learn why some would argue trans sex is ok but trans race isn’t.

I know, I thought I was going to find out!

They can't answer it so they won't answer it that is why they throw out the faux outrage for you even daring to ask it.

It's fascinating how those so steeped in this ideology struggle to explain it, evidence it, answer questions on it and get so very, very cross when asked to do so. We are just expected to nod along like donkeys.

So sex and gender are fluid but race is immutable? Why? Why can someone not identify as a different race, but identifying as a different sex is ok? You realise how stupid it sounds when you deny trans race is possible but transgender is?

Are you going to explain why identifying as a different race is different to identifying as the other sex, or will this be argument by incredulity followed by some sort of flippant remark and then refusing to engage?

That’s the standard response to the question, have you the integrity to at least try to give a coherent argument?

As you know, the division of people into races is pretty arbitrary. If we picked different defining feature ps the sub-groups of humanity would be completely switched around, suggesting that race is a far less fundamental attribute than sex, which implies that trans-race is a less problematic claim than to be the opposite sex or gender.

Im not silly enough to be goaded into that one.

So you splutter at the very audacity of the comparison and won't say why? What an entirely reasonable, good faith perspective.

Aw thanks pal. Appreciation is always welcome.

It is so frustrating not to be given a well thought out, logical answer though! I genuinely want to learn why some would argue trans sex is ok but trans race isn’t.

Im not silly enough to be goaded into that one.

another flippant remark. well done you

Sorry. I forgot i wasnt allowed an opinion.

No, I’ve never even seen anyone try to justify it. Instead there’s an outraged “how dare you even compare them!” followed by obfuscation or just completely ignoring the question.

I’ll be amazed if Ms TRA here does any different.

Maybe @placewherewebelong is identifying as John McEnroe

Tut, tut, tut, don't you know that not only is mocking not allowed nor is asking a question or expecting a sensible, logical, evidenced answer to one. You must just believe and accept what they say even when they actually say nothing.

I’ve always wondered why gender was the only ‘social construct’ that had to be revered and is not immutable. You could say age is a social construct, but people are not identifying as trans age. Money is also a social construct, and measurements, but somehow no one is arguing they are fluid and can change on a whim. We all know what a kg or a pound is. That’s why this is such bollocks and I will mock it. This ideology is harming women and girls.

On the trans race thing I felt at the time that the reason Rebecca Tuvel's article generated quite so much TRA outrage is that there aren't actually any convincing arguments against the parallels between trans gender and trans race.

I completely agree, Aria.