Fck it. Just going to identify as agender as a GC feminist.

You’ve made perfectly clear that you have no interest in conversing in good faith. Your childish refusal to explain why trans-race is in invalid concept is just more evidence of this.

Screenshots because the resr of the internet is so interested in your opinions.

Right.

🤣🤣

And would you like to list what I was called?

Well that's the thing isn't it? You want to identify as a baby/young child and pay someone to indulge your sexual fetish? Crack on. Can't say I understand it and I'm not sure I'm on board with it ethically from a feminist perspective but let's put that aside for a moment.

The thing that concerns me is that this kind of Identity project expects others to buy into their fantasy, without consent, both on sex and age terms. How is that remotely acceptable? You do you, with consenting adults, if that's what you want, but expecting others to validate that because of your need to exist without any kind of reality check is absolutely narcissistic.

My point being: if it's gender/sex, why can't it be race, age, social status etc etc. who, where and at what point do you draw the line? And who decides that?

Yeah that's why. Nothing to do with me having a life outside mn.

Thanks.

Youl know better about me than me. Thanks so much for speaking for me and 'cancelling' me - omg, I've devastated. The arrogance..

Lol I gave up thinking that after my first few naive attempts....

@FemmeNatal maybe you are right. My initial impression was that they were being at most mildly offensive in response to at least equal provocation, and that people were putting words into their mouth to some extent, but I came to the thread late and it got quite convoluted so maybe it helped to be there!

I have just tried to read a lot of it again and have seen a bit of what you all mean.

But out of the below list

bullies, disingenuous, spiteful, mean, meanspirited, boring, transphobic, and so on.

it seemed like quite a lot of the comments referred to activities or behaviors rather than people and were not intended as personal but as a reasonable part of the argument taking place.

The exceptions being boring (which was later explained but it was still personal) and transphobic (I couldn't work out what that was in reference to).

Anyway I will shut up now!

You could say age is a social construct, but people are not identifying as trans age.

Well that's also happening isn't it? Stefoknee something? Identifying as a 6 year old girl?

So @placewherewebelong what's your opinion on that? As you are allowed an opinion (of course, it's a free country) what are your opinions on transagism? If you have children, how would you feel about your kids playing with a fully adult male playing with your kids and telling you he's actually a 6 year old girl?

They were arguing, from the start, in bad faith. They had no intention of engaging honestly, they went straight for insults, outrage, and then moved into upset and evasion when asked a fair but awkward question.

No-one cancelled them, they were just rightly criticised for being dishonest.

Me too. Hope is dashed again. 😢

Damn I really thought I was going to learn something valuable.

So are we to assume that placewherewebelong‘s lack of answer is because there is actually no difference between the acceptability of trans race/sex?

Yup. Not saying they were hoping for screenshots but it does seem they were not engaging in good faith

@Conflictedunicorn yes.

I missed you being called transphobic, sorry.

But I'm not sure it's a crime not to have coherent arguments?

I really hate the cancel culture coming from the TRAs and I think it's important not to do that to anyone.

Isn’t is sad, pathetic, and oh so predictable that this thread’s TRA has done what all others do when a difficult question comes up?

All the claims of having a coherent argument, gone in a puff of outrage.

Ah, then you must have “skimmed” the bits where place repeatedly called other posters bullies, disingenuous, spiteful, mean, meanspirited, boring, transphobic, and so on. Not sure that anyone else has made any personal comments like those.

Are you talking about @placewherewebelong ? The person who’s been shouting at us, called me transphobic for no reason and has not provided any coherent or logical argument?

Logic, reason and consistency are oppressive binarist and essentialist constructions imposed on us by the cisheteronormative system of colonialist imperialism of course, how phobic to think otherwise 😂

@placewherewebelong like Voltaire I support you being allowed to have an opinion.

I have been skimming in places so i may have missed something but you seem to have been measured and reasonable on this thread as far as I can see. I am sorry you have received some unnecessarily personal comments.

Ah so that’s where I was going wrong, I was expecting logic and coherent arguments. My bad lol.

Ah, it’s the same logic that is able to claim gender is a white colonial construct, at the same time as plucking out, say, a misunderstood small group of highly dispossessed and marginalised low-caste male prostitutes in India, and then saying they’re exactly the same as white teenagers on Tumbkr obsessed with anime cat ears ….this of course is not at all colonialist. But doing yoga is though, keep up.

Don’t ask for any consistency or logic, those are also white cis colonialist Eurocentric expectations to which queer people don’t have to adhere because they’re busy queering the colonialist cis Enlightenment — or something.

Many people are very intelligent within a narrow sphere of knowledge but completely unable to think critically about other things.

This is so true. It drives me crazy.