Fck it. Just going to identify as agender as a GC feminist.

It's an age old tactic to ask questions and then pretend the only reason they havent answered it (cause youre so important) is that they cant, other than that it was 23 45 and I couldn't be arsed.

Psychoanalysts would call the above projection’ and ‘denial’.

Youte a little bit obsessed with me and my posts and movements. It's a bit inappropriate.

Didn’t you actually say several times on the thread that you’re a woman?

This is so utterly patronising and disingenuous that I cant believe it's in good faith, so I'm pleased to hear you wont be saying it again

To be fair people started asking that question long before 24.45 @place in fact, from rather early on in the evening, but you were more interested in being insulting and scolding people for mocking a ridiculous ideology.

Is there a reason yoire assuming I'm a woman?

Ffs. I went to bed! You have been fair, but I'm not an owl!

@CandyLeBonBon I have no idea what you asked me

Have you been here a long time? It's an age old tactic to ask questions and then pretend the only reason they havent answered it (cause youre so important) is that they cant, other than that it was 23 45 and I couldn't be arsed. The wgl is strong.

As trans myself (non-binary, like everyone else on Earth) it seems strange to have my take on trans issues censored like this.

Not my site though, so not my rules.

Seems to be happening quite a lot recently! 😬

I think for saying that a trans woman’s belief in being female was not indicative of physical reality.

It really wasn’t attacking anyone or saying anything controversial, so I don’t understand what happened.

What did you get deleted for, @FemmeNatal ?

I thought this may be the case @nightwakingmoon but I find it strange that the trans rights movement would really want to align itself with stuff that is so left-field. If you apply Poe's Law to this stuff, who can tell whether a new gender is being proposed in good faith, or just as a piss-take anyway?

Yes, and one would understand totally if, say, middle aged transwomen, were to say “leave us out of all of this, my lengthy lifetime struggles with gender dysphoria aren’t really the same as teenagers playing around with catgender identities”.

But so much of the edifice is dependent on the myth of the “trans child” that activists seem to cling to as a form of validation, even though it actually doesn’t really serve their purposes that well.

We have some quite well known middle aged professional white well off transwomen who will pop on here every so often, for example, to join in the call for puberty blockers for teenage girls with identity issues. I originally expected some of those activists to take a more moderate line, for example that young teenage girls who are attracted to gender ideology, and adult male to female transitioners, might not have the same needs or desires; and that it might be prudent and sensible to look at thee groups rather separately when it comes to what is appropriate treatment, especially for minors.

But it seems that for the most part, the overwhelming desire to be validated by the idea of transness : gender identity more generally, and the idea of “trans children” in particular, is such a powerful one that adult activists cannot resist conflating kids’ and teenagers’ fashionable fads around gender with their own.

I’m not sure that, in the end, it’s going to work as well they hope. The online xenogender bandwagon doesn’t look like a very controllable beast (beastgender? Otherkin?) to ride in on….

I thought this may be the case @nightwakingmoon but I find it strange that the trans rights movement would really want to align itself with stuff that is so left-field. If you apply Poe's Law to this stuff, who can tell whether a new gender is being proposed in good faith, or just as a piss-take anyway?

I suppose it all makes more sense within the queering agenda where anything goes and it's apparently cool to get a photo with a police officer holding your puppy leash at a pride March.

Anyway, I reserve the right to question a teenager in my care if they want to start identifying as space cat. I would ask very different questions if they said they thought they were the opposite sex.

But the sillier reaches of the xenogenders and neopronouns clearly undermine all of the foundations that it all rests on, and so the ideologues just tend to hope we haven’t noticed them yet and they really don’t want to get into it, because when we get to being compelled to respect 13 year old Felix as an aro-ace cupioromantic Otherkin with ze/zeself pronouns on Tuesdays and xylo/xyem pronouns on alternate Fridays the entire gender thing starts to look absolutely idiotic.

Agree, we have government departments saying how "gender" is more meaningful than sex, and yet "gender" until someone defines it properly or sets out some boundaries, also includes this type of patently ridiculous teen meme. I think it will eat itself eventually.

(And also explains why, the moment anyone starts to gently mock the xenogenders, there are instant toys out of prams and hyperbolic accusations of spitefulness and meanness and horrible-women-should-be-ashamed-to-be-so-unkind!

It’s a massively over the top reaction, mainly to stop anyone realising that if “catpacigender” is obviously ludicrous, then a lot of all the rest of gender ideology is as well.

But it’s also very much like horrible old mum who is SO MEANNNNNN! Has put her foot down and said no, you don’t get to eat out of a cat bowl at the table, but must use your cutlery like everyone else.)

Oh there’s plenty more where that came from, they invent genders by the minute over there 🤣 There are more cat ones than you can count. Catbatgender, spacecatgender, kittysmilegender, Dawncatgender, robotcatgender, it goes on. “New gender just dropped!” Complete with flag and pronouns and everything. “Catpacifiergender!” — which is, apparently, “A gender related to cats with pacis, age regression or kitty regression, kitties, pacifiers, and pastel colours.”

Problem is that for genderists, it’s all or nothing. You can’t suggest that some of this is teenage nonsense without risking acknowledging that it all might be. You aren’t allowed under the terms of the whole ideology itself to draw lines around what are “real” genders and what aren’t; the ideology demands you swallow it all whole. Hence the “mocking catgender people on the internet is transphobic!” stuff.

But the sillier reaches of the xenogenders and neopronouns clearly undermine all of the foundations that it all rests on, and so the ideologues just tend to hope we haven’t noticed them yet and they really don’t want to get into it, because when we get to being compelled to respect 13 year old Felix as an aro-ace cupioromantic Otherkin with ze/zeself pronouns on Tuesdays and xylo/xyem pronouns on alternate Fridays the entire gender thing starts to look absolutely idiotic.

And yet still, no matter how many ludicrous genders are incorporated under the trans rainbow-coloured umbrella, trans-race is still supposedly different.

Why is it different? Nobody can say.

The post about the aromantic bunnies was quite something. At least they didn't suggest that any rabbits were asexual...

Yeah - unfortunately gender ideologues have got themselves into a position where it’s impossible for them to say, eg., yes catgender / lithromantic / whatever are clearly silly and not real, and not actually very much like crippling gender identity issues experienced by the small number of people who are genuinely transgender/transsexual.

That’s considered a heresy in the “community” (and known as “truscum”) because it suggests that transgenderism might be (a) rare and (b) a psychiatric condition and (c) not actually all about self-declaration and microlabels at all.

Hence why genderists get themselves into such knots. You can’t make fun of catgender because any acknowledgment that some of this might be a silly fad might bring down the whole edifice with it.

So we must sagely respect “Felix’s” pronouns and install a cat flap; because any acknowledgment that it’s all a bit silly is to commit a heresy against the approved gender theology, eg. that women are not allowed to show that they notice that it’s all based on pretending and role-play.

This is all so confusing. What do all these myriad 'genders' have to do with trans people, really?

The concept of gender came about, as I understand it, as a term originally synonymous with 'sex' as a way of describing the two biological categories. Then it evolved to mean a concept of maleness or femaleness, separate from biological sex, so that people could say - for example - their gender is male, but their sex is female, if they are trans. This seems fairly straightforward to understand.

But then at some point some people have decided gender can mean pretty much anything. I can't take 'catgender' seriously. And catgender people having their own pronouns? What has this really got to do with gender? All I can see is people endlessly reflecting on their personalities and then making up a term for it. Why are we supposed to take this completely seriously when so many of these terms are simply traced back to one person on tumblr coining it?

Furthermore, why is it mean to point how bizarre and childish this is? And how on earth is it 'transphobic'? What does calling yourself catgender have to do with being transgender?

I am mocking the entire concept as it does not make sense . You do realise that humour can be a way to explore certain subjects from different angles, to help find a balance and provoke thoughts and serious discussions.

According to you i have to accept, totally and fully, that men can be women otherwise i am unkind but nobody/you can accept women (or men) trying to discuss which of the many hundreds of genders they could possibly fall under according to the stonewall because its mean and mocking. Its not up to you to police my thoughts, my emotions, and how i deal with them.

If you don't like a certain humour and you find this triggering then just scroll past the thread, nobody is forcing you to read. Its the same for any subject. I don't force my views, or tell others off, for believing in a god (or infact that cycling is the best ever hobby!!) - I scroll past all religious discussions (or cycling threads). Its not my place to scold them and tell them that they are wrong.

I won't be replying to you again. You have a certain attitude here that I cant put my finger on (well I can but... you know.. I can't say it) but its unpleasant and most definitely unnecessarily unkind to a lot of other posters. Try looking inward and see if you can do better to be kinder to others who are struggling with genders and need a safe place to discuss their feelings. It works both ways.

I apologise for my part in what became utterly ridiculous last night.

That's very big of you. Apology accepted.

Have a good day!