Fck it. Just going to identify as agender as a GC feminist.

Also known as having a different opinion to a small number who seem to believe they rule the boards.

Yes I remember a similar past poster as well.

So do you think the minority of people have gender dysphoria, and the rest are chancing it? Genuinely?

@Ohnohedident you could certainly be forgiven for thinking so. I do remember a recent poster, different name of course, who had a similar MO pretending to share a “gender critical” way of thinking but in fact insulting other posters and being unnecessarily hostile and argumentative.

Sometimes we seem to get posters who make me wonder if they just enjoy wasting women’s time or getting a rise out of us. They quickly become ever so emotional and have very little to contribute in the way of rational argument.

Being trans is not misogynistic.

I'm not saying every person with a gender identity is a misogynist. I don't subscribe to the ideology, so I only think that some (tiny number of) people have the psychological condition of gender dysphoria. I read an excellent essay yesterday. I might start a thread about it.

https://bprice.substack.com/p/trans-is-something-we-made-up?r=7vhv8&s=r&utmcampaign=post&utmmmedium=web&utmsource=direct

It's the ideology I find misogynistic, it's baked into it.

Sorry, but I have no idea what weapon female socialisation means.

Thanks for being reasonable with me, Candy.

IME, teenage boys and girls are both accepting. As the age progresses, I don't think men are remotely interested in transmen. They may be violent towards transwomen, but I find young men on the whole to be far more accepting than women.

Being trans is not misogynistic.

think what you like.

Another example of why I say MN is cliquey. If you don't agree, you must be a troll.

I'm more offended by you calling me a "genderist", whatever one of them is, than a troll.

However, i still think that we choose to see transwomen as trying to infiltrate or erase our reality, while in actual fact, for whatever reason, the vast majority are trying to be part of it.

But they can't be part of it, it isn't possible, and I frequently find their male ideas of what being a woman is like offensive. Should they stop, because of that?

I think Place is a troll pretending to be a genderist?

Certainly anecdotally that's what it feels like. The rise of incel types getting more oxygen is definitely in evidence.

Violent bigotry is most definitely male-dominated and whilst you may be right about younger boys being more accepting, that doesn't seem to be the case as they get older if they stats are anything to go by?

I think polls have show that young men are increasingly becoming more sexist, not less. Pandering to an ideology entirely based on sex stereotypes is hardly going to help.

For clarification when I say violent bigotry I'm referring to homophobia and misogyny as well as actual transphobia

Now I'm sure someone will be along to tell me it's because theyre all misogynists who want to erase women, but the reality is, boys are more likely to live by the principle of dont be a dick rather than the group of what people fall into.

That is absurd. Men are often dicks, but they accept FTM trans people into their spaces because they pose no threat to them or any of their rights and privileges. Men loftily talk down to women on what we should do, because they never question themselves. Men are frequently vile to women online. Like them, you are trying to weaponise female socialisation against women.

boys are more likely to live by the principle of dont be a dick rather than the group of what people fall into.

I don't know what experiences you've had that l lead you to think this but the stats on male violence against women/girls and against trans identified people of whichever gender would suggest that to be incorrect.

Violent bigotry is most definitely male-dominated and whilst you may be right about younger boys being more accepting, that doesn't seem to be the case as they get older if they stats are anything to go by?

But you dont. Because your anger at this whole thing (rightly so) is based on what nutters are saying on twitter.

No, it's based on the entitled narcissism and misogyny of the whole ideology. The complete disregard for women and girls. And the regressive, circular stupidity of believing that women are not women because they are female, but because they conform to sets of stereotypes which only exist in the first place because biological sex exists. And the blinkered refusal to grasp or engage with any of this.

Also, whether or not we accept the reality is different, i accept the right of people not to do so (although as I've repeatedly said, I don't thin kthat should be done maliciously).

However, i still think that we choose to see transwomen as trying to infiltrate or erase our reality, while in actual fact, for whatever reason, the vast majority are trying to be part of it.

No, but ironically enough, I believe that biological men are more accepting of trans men - IME, boys are more accepting of trans boys - than the other way round.

Now I'm sure someone will be along to tell me it's because theyre all misogynists who want to erase women, but the reality is, boys are more likely to live by the principle of dont be a dick rather than the group of what people fall into.

In their own heads (And I'm not talking about the nutters) they want to be part of YOUR reality, not deny you.

Do you think men ever think that transmen are part of their reality as men?
I doubt it tbh.

and I'm really not a misogynist. I have spent much of the day reading all the horrendous things going on in America just now, unable to believe that I have lived to see this day.

I just struggle with the fact that it's the worst crime ever that I don't think we should be ripping the piss out of people.

It's very strange you reference the mothers and over 40.

I'd have the same opinion if it was being said by a 12 year old boy. It's not about you!

But you dont. Because your anger at this whole thing (rightly so) is based on what nutters are saying on twitter.

It's a shame that threads get hijacked by posters whoinsult other posters rather than making a rational argument which might persuade anyone to shift perspective.

I put my phone on charge to do some baking and return to find 3 or 4 pages of ….

Seriously, anyone who walked into a real world venue and attacked a group of friends having a laugh together about the funny antics of their kids and the latest fads would not likely be treated with any more patience and forbearance than has happened on this thread.

It really has proved the point the women over 40, especially if they are mothers are not allowed to play the gender identity game. For some inexplicable reason some people get really riled up about it.

We are gently mocking an authoritarian ideology which is coming at us from every direction. This is a ideology which currently holds power in our society and imposes itself on us. I am pretty sure that if the ideology left us (and our children) alone we would feel very differently about it and be less inclined to mock it. It dominates everything at the moment, schools, workplaces, libraries, NHS, shops. Where ever we look we are confronted by it. So yes we mock it, it is far better than bowing down to it.

why gleeful?

I have said for a long time that from now on I’m non binary. I don’t want to chose between the different label woman/man because I’m rejecting all the stuff associated with gender.

Ive gone against that for years. I’ve always found that having to justify myself was a pain. Non binary solves the issue.