Fck it. Just going to identify as agender as a GC feminist.

Amazing how they are always, always, deeply misogynistic.

It's always corrupted at some point, isn't it? I suspect that's what we call "human nature". The theory is good, but in practice we are, essentially, just like all the other elements of the living world, plant and animal - all scrabbling over each other to try to get to the light and food. It's pretty basic, when it comes down to it.

I think so. I really think that some people need religious beliefs and practices. This is an aspect of human culture which has been present in every time and place. It seems that we can’t do without it and when the old ones die out new ones emerge.

If only it were possible to take the good parts of religion which satisfy the needs many people have and leave the more harmful parts. It never seems to exist in an entirely benevolent way, at least not for long.

That's a really good point. There must be a need within us, as it's such a universal experience over time and space.

Oh yes.....yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Thank you, this has been percolating in my mind for ages and you've put it perfectly.

if you say so.

Of course it's true.

not true.

@placewherewebelong You are in FWR on Mumsnet - calling 'transphobia' here is not going to shut anyone down or have them begging for forgiveness. Most of us have been here too long for that crap.

Could you go through all the PP who accused me of putting words in their mouth and straw manning..and then wonder if thats what you are doing?

Oh and I mock religious fundamentalist and flat earth ideologies too. I'm sure you're a lovely person but it you spout any if that stuff at me and believe it, I'm going to take it with a large pinch of salt and firmly resolve to not take you seriously.

I have been pondering recently, about how social media, and purity spirals, particularly when it comes to trans ideology, are replacing the hole that religion has left.

There are so many parallels, and it's left me wondering if maybe a lot of humans really do need that sort of thing in order to be able to live their lives.

Not being able to question anything, the sacred castes, being told you are a terrible person if you are a non-believer, the sense of 'belonging' that it seems to give people, the mantras, the threats of 're-education' if you are a heretic, the misogyny.....it's all there, its just packaged differently.

but by mocking the ideology, you are mocking them.

Nope. I'm drawing attention to the the fact that the language is becoming ever more ridiculous. Pointing that out is not mocking people, it's recognising that the emperor isn't actually wearing clothes at all, and refusing to pretend that he is. That's not mocking that pointing out objective reality.

But you are labelling everyone with an opinion that you don’t like as transphobic. You are being very hypocritical.

So I presume you also object to drag queens and Panto Dames then? Or is mocking women ok in your book? All the male comedians making fun of women, I presume you go and shout at them like you’ve shouted at us?

but by mocking the ideology, you are mocking them.

Maybe not those specific ones, but here’s a page showing the great number of things that have been described as transphobic.

I doubt you are honest enough to read it before responding, but please, at least give it a try.

wingsoverscotland.com/everything-is-transphobic/

disingenous.

I just dont agree wtih the mocking of trans people. It's that simple.

I've seen people making fun of the language and terminology used within the trans/nb community. I haven't seen any attacks on trans people specifically though? I agree the language surrounding this whole issue is muddy, and obfuscates reality. It IS ridiculous that you can no longer define a woman and that these circular arguments render rational conversation impossible. That deserves mockery imo. But no one has mocked trans people.

Google is your friend. Enjoy. No it wasn’t Twitter. And you still haven’t explained how I , who according to you, falls under the umbrella of trans, can be a transphobe? As a sungender, I am classed as trans and can mock the ideology if I wish? Or are you saying these genders do not count as trans and therefore mocking them is fine? And you can’t say I’m not sungender or that’s transphobic and invalidating my identity. Self ID says I can be sun gender if I say I am.

Not answered it though, have you? Let me guess - was it someone on twitter?

No, I didnt. I said you're a transphobe based on your views. Nothing to do with not agreeing with me.

I'm over on another thread where I will fight womens' rights to have an abortion til the day I die. On that topic, I'm behind women always.

I just dont agree wtih the mocking of trans people. It's that simple.

Not really. I can't stand this constant assertion that an opinion on a global topic somehow makes you some type of person.

you called me a transphobe because I won’t agree with you. This comment right here shows you’re a hypocrite.

Not really. I can't stand this constant assertion that an opinion on a global topic somehow makes you some type of person.

It doesn't.

I might vehemently disagree with people i know about a variety of topics. Doesn't change my opinion of them.

Shutting women up? oh. watch, the wee gang of MN will be after you (oh no they wont, cause its only OK to shut women up when they disagree!)

I'd like to know where dogs and weather are transphobic.

how come I, a transphobe, according to you, know this and you, a so called trans ally don’t. Could it be you are not a trans ally, but a misogynist just coming here to get their kicks shouting at women? I’ll accept your apology for calling me a transphobe any time you like BTW. (That’s 3 more letters for you )