Roe vs Wade / gun laws

I'm scared that there are peodophiles who want to take advantage when there will have to be a relaxation of adoption laws once juvenile care homes are overrun.

I’ve just come across the argument online (not sure what I think of it) that the shift towards the right on this issue in the US is partly because there is a big group of moderate people who tolerated abortion when it was necessary, but saw it as a necessary evil, and they were being asked to celebrate it within discourses about ‘abortion pride’ and ‘shout your abortion’, and ultimately it made them more pro-life.

I’m seeing comments from people that amount to, I was prepared to accept it, but I wasn’t prepared to accept arguments for unlimited abortion (without mental health or physical grounds, or up to term). Or, I was prepared to tolerate it, but when people were boasting about it it made me feel more hostile. Or, when I saw people saying they’d had twenty abortions and wearing it on a t-shirt it changed my view.

‘Of course it's a logical argument. They continue to allow to people to carry guns when they know the consequence of this is children are murdered.’

Well, I see your point but I don’t agree that that’s the same thing. For it to be directly contradictory, pro gun commentators would have to be arguing against the right to an abortion but arguing for the right to murder kids. They’re not. We don’t win by misrepresenting people’s positions, we just entrench them in them.

‘Why do you think they think people should have a gun?’

I think there are a number of reasons. But so they can murder people isn’t one of them, AFAIK.

I’m very sympathetic to American women today (I’m strongly pro choice) but I don’t think that’s a logical argument, sorry. The gun lobby isn’t suggesting shooting kids. They don’t say ‘shoot seven year olds but don’t have an abortion’. The position that Americans have a right to carry a gun for self-defence (as mad as I think it is) isn’t inconsistent with a view that abortion is taking a life.

I heard a vox pop on the radio of a young American woman rejoicing the Roe v Wade decision saying that 'they' (I think she meant just Americans) have an inalienable, (yes, inalienable) right to certain things. One of those was the right to life and the other was the right to bear arms.
Logical thinking is clearly un-American

It's not about being pro-life. It's about being anti-woman.

It's all completely clear and obvious.

Yep. There is no sense in it.

Yes, but their constitution resists action on that. I agree the situation with guns is insane but I don’t think it’s an argument against a person who believes a foetus is a person. We’re not going to convince them that way.

I think we have to accept that, to some people, destruction of a foetus is destruction of a life and they fundamentally believe it’s murder. They’re never, never going to agree with a woman’s right to choose, no matter how many arguments we present. We just have to (in the UK) continue to outnumber them.

It’s also a country where in 9 states there is no mini age to get married, and there is no federal law against child marriage. Not saying it’s a woman hating, child hating misogynistic country but I’m not not saying that either