What you all said was coming

The only thing that will stop this is insurers telling the NHS and surgeons that they won't cover them for doing it. If it involves large payouts, insurers will stop it.

It's tragic that people don't matter, only money does.

Susie Green of Mermaids had this done to her male child when he was 15 in Thailand (its now illegal there too). That child will never know what it is to experience sex or sex pleasure, will never even understand what they have lost. And instead of being in prison where she should be, she now runs a national charity and makes her living off of her vile actions.

Would this man still have gone ahead with surgery if he'd have been told all of the risks involved? I think if someone is at the stage of gender reassignment surgery, they're probably that far down the rabbit hole that they would still go ahead and then blame someone when it went wrong. We can't be sure what the doctors did or didn't say, I personally haven't read his medical records anyway.
I agree with PPs, I don't think the NHS should be funding this kind of surgery, but they're damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Because the NHS isn't supposed to chop body parts off of stupid people making stupid decisions. They're supposed to not harm anyone, even stupid people.

I feel immensely sorry for Tullip and I’m glad he is brave enough to sue the nhs. This will help protect more children and young adults.

FemmeNatal

Breast reduction is never done on demand for women (unless trans treatment) and it is almost impossible to get a breast reduction on the nhs even if a woman is suffering immense back pain, skin abrasions and other significant problems.

Hysterectomies are only done in cases of uterine cancer even though it can be a life changing (in a good way) operation for women who are bleeding so much their ability to work and socialise is severely compromised.

I don’t believe childhood circumsion is done on demand on the nhs. And only done at all in cases of extremely tight foreskin.

Sorry, Rufus, I wasn't quoting you, I hadn't realised you had actually used that expression! It was just the general feeling that Tulip had made his own bed.

With great power comes great responsibility. If you are going to hack healthy body parts about, you'd better have excellent grounds for doing so.

Of all the captured institutions, the NHS is most culpable because this should be their area of expertise and yet they’ve allowed themselves to be bamboozled by snake oil salesmen. If they had stood up for proper, evidenced medicine it would have given other institutions the tools and courage to stand firm too.

Very good post datun

Just to clarify my ‘you reap what you sow’ comment is firmly directed at the NHS, they bought it on themselves

Datun sums it up beautifully.

TonTonMacoute

I would copy your post, in order to rewrite it after it's deleted. You're not allowed to use the word cult.

ironically

@Datun

You are absolutely right.

Its just like a cult - actually it is a cult.

Cults are extremely skilled and adept at brainwashing and manipulating people, including vast swathes of government and the NHS, and this is what is happening.

I don't blame Tulip at all, my heart bleeds for them. They are a victim of GBH of the worst sort and someone should go to jail for what they did.

@Madcats

I believe his request to be heard in the ECHR was refused, so everyone is still in the dark.

It is a shame that it is the institution that is being sued and not the human decision-makers.

What @Datun said with bloody great brass bells on

the NHS has been entirely captured by an ideology that tells men like tulip that surgery is the answer. An ideology that says even to question motivation or explore other possible reasons for unhappiness is “transphobic” and “conversion therapy”. The NHS needs a whacking good kick up the arse for how they’ve allowed themselves to be captured

Excellent post, Datun. Wish we could pin it somewhere for all to see!

I know religious shouldn’t be done on the NHS, but a quick search suggests that it is, as is cosmetic breast surgery (both augmentation and reduction) for psychological reasons.

Yes they are quite happy to say no to women even with physically obvious results that procedures would medically solve/improve /help.

Given that the medical requirements for gender dysphoria dx are all centred around the body being wrong and sexist stereotypes, which of course the lobby groups training the nhs say being trans is not about stereotypes or the wrong body, no one can actually define what it is they are actually treating or explain why this barbaric irreversible disabling surgery will help the situation. It simply shouldn't be allowed. Even privately.

I think that there is so much that needs to be exposed here though.

People who are saying, he should have done research. Have you ever tried to find adverse information about breast binders on search engines such as google?

And if the community around you is fully trusted, and you cannot ever imagine that this 'family' would cause you harm, even inadvertently, why would you search outside your 'family'? Remember, to a vulnerable person anything outside the bubble is unsafe.

I can fully believe a vulnerable man of 25 would be able to do this. He may have even had tips on how to convince clinicians as the children are being given these tips. Why would there not be the same advice given for young adult?

Well said, Datun.

It's still Incredible how many organisations, institutions and professionals have encouraged and celebrated pushing vulnerable men and women down this path, selling them a damaging lie because zealous activists told them to.

If a womans breasts are so large they leave her in constant pain and unable to function properly then it is medically indicated that a reduction nay ne beneficial.

Sadly it's nigh on impossible to get this done.

At 18 I as told my over large breasts were "an asset I should be proud of" by a male GP - yes, I did complain and got brushed off.

In my 40s I got some flannel about menopause.

In my 50s I get the horror stories about increased infection rates

Since I was 18 I have had back problems due to the size and weight of my breasts, and I now have a permanent postural stoop and gait issues, concomitant neck, hip and leg issues. All of which could have been most safely addressed when I was in my 20s, saving me a lifetime of pain and self image issues.

So no, I am not happy that any people are now being offered free cosmetic surgeries of all sorts. I was left in pain purely because I am female!

@TonTonMacoute do you happen to know what happened in the end (or maybe it is still ongoing? Google directed me to this being the most recent article (2021) where he was planning to go to European Court:

www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/02/09/james-caspian-transgender-trans-bath-spa-european-court-human-rights/

I remember Bath Spa Uni being all over the local news that summer.

It has always seemed very odd to me that the doctors and surgeons happily dole out drugs and surgery that is hard to reverse (long term outcomes unclear) with little apparent follow up with the individuals.