What you all said was coming

What did he think was going to happen?! I’m genuinely blown away by the stupidly and him declining to take responsibility. It wasn’t done to him, he asked for it?!

Harsh but fair about the genes. He’s not the sharpest tool in the box 🤷‍♀️

I can understand why vulnerable people (for example those with mental health problems, or internalised homophobia, or a history of sexual abuse) may fall for the propaganda churned out by transactivist websites.

I didn't mean to cross out the examples.

I can understand why vulnerable people for example those with mental health problems, or internalised homophobia, or a history of sexual abuse may fall for the propaganda churned out by transactivist websites.

But there's no excuse for anyone else affirming them in their belief that they are somehow 'in the wrong body'.

And major organisations, such as governments and the NHS, who collude with this cruel deception are unforgiveable.

It's heart-breaking. The damage this ideology is doing makes me unspeakably angry.

Let's also remember that very many TW don't have 'bottom' surgery, including some of the most prominent ones, but they keep that very quiet. They don't have it because they aren't uncomfortable enough to go through that discomfort. If they would own that people for whom they are role models might also feel less inclined to.

Its so bizarre how any negative outcome or alternative choice regarding these surgeries and interventions is some kind of blanket statement against every trans person. What other medical choice has that burden to carry?

You could have 3 people with the exact same cancer. One may choose surgery, one may choose chemo and one may choose to max out a credit card amd travel the world and forgive treatment altogether. And neither choice says anything about anyone else.

But with this. Its like you have surgery fir them all and if you are unhappy after you are basically invalidating every trans person that ever lived. Like they are responsible for the lives and happiness of complete strangers. It's a political choice not a personal one.

I think this is tragic.

And shows why Stonewall should urgently return to their core mission of fighting homophobia.

This man, like the child of Mermaid Woman Susie Green (who suffered horrible medical problems after surgery under the age of 18) started in this road because he was brought up amongst people who see homosexuality as abhorrent.

By the sounds of it he wasn’t in any mental or emotional state where doctors should have started chopping him about.

Is it the case, as we have seen with children, that if you present with gender dysphoria then nothing else is considered as part of your treatment? Added to this if he had obtained a script from his online community he would have been very convincing.
It's horrible to think that people who have undergone this surgery are effectively grooming others to have the same surgery even though they are unlikely to give the full truth about their own surgery. It's almost as if they have made this decision and in order to get validated want to take others with them to make themselves feel better.

I hope lessons are learned. But the NHS should not be in the business of removing healthy body parts.

Where does it stop are people going to be allowed to cripple themselves because they don't like the look of their toes? Or any other body part?

For a while, this whole charade pissed me off so much that I was close to thinking, "All right, fuck it, let the adults do what they want and don't try to get them to question it. Just leave the kids out of it."

But as infuriating as it all becomes, these stories prove that we really do need to give people time and professional assistance to work out who they are before they do something so truly irreversible. Surgery will be right for some of them. But the stats now show that around 75% of them, like this poor man, will eventually come to realise they're gay.

It's not conversion therapy to help someone work out who they really are.

I've not come across anything by a male to female detransitioner before, only female to male. Poor Tulip, this is horrific. I hope he can find peace. And I hope lessons are beginning to be learnt. The reality needs to be open and discussed freely, it doesn't make you transphobic or bigoted. It makes you informed.

Because if he was deluded , mentally Ill then the NHS failed to diagnose him correctly?

I think people commenting should find out a bit more about him and his case before deciding he doesn't have a right to complain.

More accurately described as a vulnerable man.

Sorry but how can he blame the NHS for a mistake in his life that he made as a grown man, I mean he know he was going to lose his manhood and be infertile how on earth is that someone else's fault.

Did I say that?

I think if you had unnecessary surgery that left you in pain and with absolutely no sex life and no prospect of one, and feeling suicidal you might feel it was appropriate to be compensated.

Weird that he forgot to put that in, and accidentally just asked for loads of money instead.

One can argue that he was an adult when he made this decision but one could also ask why the National Health Service is removing healthy body parts from people.

So he's not suing for actual money then? Its about stopping further surgeries?

The NHS literally can't win here. They are chastised by some for not providing enough treatment for gender dysphoria or not providing it at a young enough age (terrifying). Yet when they do, they wind up in the courts for causing harm. It's lose lose all round.

And yes, elements of the trans community are bloody cult like. They don't want proper research or ethics. They just want their demands to be met. And that, among many other things, involves mutilating vunerable people's bodies. It has got to stop.

This is not as simple as 'he asked for an operation, he got it'. Surgeons cannot perform surgery without obtaining fully informed consent. This procedure would have been explained in great detail to the patient, but everyone is different so the outcomes for one person are likely to be different from another. Did this man expect to have his organs removed? We have to assume yes, or he wouldn't have consented to the procedure. Did he anticipate the consequent outcomes (loss of sensation, incontinence etc)? The article suggests he didn't - to obtain fully informed consent, the vast range of possibly outcomes should have been explained, but since you never really know what's going to happen when you mess around in a nerve heavy part of the body, most pre-surgical patients can't make peace with the potential outcomes because they haven't experienced them yet, and everyone logically hopes for the best and/or thinks they could cope with a less than perfect outcome. Who is responsible for that? I guess a court will decide. What seems absolutely clear is that this person did not receive adequate counselling - either before or after the surgery. What we need are really clear guidelines about the kind of counselling required pre and post surgery, and what constitutes a good candidate for the surgery. And this ongoing support needs to be guaranteed regardless of whether a person proceeds with the procedure, or not, and regardless of the level of success of the procedure.

Unfair to compare to thalidomide, pregnant mums took it in good faith for morning sickness.

Compare to the Italian Castrati opera singers that went out of fashion in the late 18th Century.

If the NHS offered liposuction to people with anorexia many of them would take it & I would blame the clinicians.

people suffering from delusions can be incredibly convincing

I'm sad it comes to money but it seems the only thing that counts.

I've got nothing but sympathy for him. Our focus is on young people for obvious reasons, but plenty of older people are going down exactly the same route for the wrong reasons. The person I know in her early 30s lives her life on line, that's her community, she's convinced she's doing the right thing having surgery. I think she's making a massive mistake, but what can you do when they're adults? This poor man will be the first of many, I don't know what the answer is.