What you all said was coming

If the NHS performed breast reduction surgery and the patient still felt negative thoughts about their body afterwards so sued I’d feel exactly the same.

If a man requested a vasectomy afterwards, then decided he wanted children and sued, I’d feel the same there too.

My husband was offered ligament repair surgery that could lose him the feeling in his foot. Had he gone ahead with that and sued for a numb foot, I’d have felt the same there too.

Surgery regret however is extremely low for trans people, so the furore over one case should not be taken out of perspective.

We hear this a lot, but where's the recent evidence? I don't think anybody is doing the counting. The detransitioners subreddit has about 30,000 members.

He asked for the surgery, consented to the surgery and surely researched the surgery. He put it off for 2 years so surely in this time would have researched and made up his mind fully before going through with it. He should not be able to sue. What a waste of money the surgery was on the NHS.

Fair enough.

But in this case the doctors know too. The doctors know better than anyone else, in fact.

NHS explains and has patients to sign the form stating which side effect the patients could get from a particular treatment. I doubt the guy was not informed, he might not have comprehended well.
I think NHS turns into a bunch of German nazi doctors who were trying experimental treatments on prisoners of war during WW2.
I would feel sorry if it was about a child who got mutilated with parents' concern.
At 25 he was an adult himself. I feel sorry he had no friends or family to warn him against the surgery.
I do not expect him to win. It took decades to thalidomide victims to get small compensation.

Yes, in your fairy land. Do you think this surgery was for free?

@MishyJDI

How do you propose to prevent future cases like this man?

What steps should the NHS take to ensure this does not happen again, and that only people who would benefit from surgery get it?

The lack of sympathy towards him (as evidenced in this thread) as opposed to someone like Kiera Bell is stark.

I think that is down to age.
KB was 16 when her journey began and she ended up on a path she didn't believe she could leave. This man was 25 plus so as an adult is deemed to be more responsible for his choices. I think what many are missing is despite his age he was vulnerable and ended up on the same path if lies KB did.

if he was advised it would benefit him, the blame shouldn't be on him. If he wasn't advised it would benefit him, the NHS shouldn't have provided it.

It's mixed. For whatever reason, as outlined by PP, the adult service operates an affirmation only model. Tulip did delay. However, it's plain that, for whatever reason, the HCPs (GPs, the Gender Clinic) were behaving as if this would resolve the gender dysphoria and, potentially, be life-saving.

I would strongly recommend the podcast and Benjamin Boyce interview for a much fuller picture that is presented in the Daily Mail piece.

It will be interesting to see if any of the HCPs documented concerns about Tulip's mental health but couldn't see another approach that they could use or if this will largely be about the quality of the surgery (the files have been made obtained through a SAR).

If he successfully sues the NHS, it may inspire similar lawsuits in America. And that's the only way to turn the tide in the US.

I feel sad for their outcome. Surgery regret however is extremely low for trans people, so the furore over one case should not be taken out of perspective.

Research by Prof. Dr P. T. Cohen-Kettenis, VU University Medical Centre, Department of Medical Psychology, shows that of 162 trans adults, only 1 reported they would choose not to transition again. Another had some regrets but would choose to transition again (0.6% regret rate) Sex reassignment: outcomes and predictors of treatment for adolescent and adult transsexuals.

Reality is, especially in the current system, this individual will have gone through years of waiting and counselling to get to surgery. They also would have been informed of the risks and signed a disclaimer. So I cant see how they will be successful.

But evidence is that majority of trans peeps going through this surgery do not regret doing it. Let's face it, no-one does surgery on a whim, no matter what for.

You don't stop surgery that improves peoples lives for the odd case that regretfully is not what they wanted or didnt work out.

It's not experimental, it's at least 50 years of experience now.

So no, one odd case out, doesn't mean "what you all said was coming" has borne the fruit the OP suggests.

Let's be a little kinder. Support this individual, but also those who feel the need for surgical intervention.

Surgical Outcomes for Trans Peeps

I am really surprised by the antagonism on here towards the NHS. Is it coming from a place of they deserve it because they have consulted with the likes of Stonewall and have taken onboard their advice? I find it also surprising the amount of posts saying that trans people are mentally ill and therefore not able to consent to surgery. I am no expert on any of this at all but feel that this was a man not a child who chose a certain pathway and has then regretted it. He has used valuable time and resources and now isn't happy.

In Scotland they are currently trying to make this kind of move even more liberal ie that the person does not have to provide any medical evidence or even talk about their issue to get a GRC and also extending this to the age of 16. I remember many years ago watching a documentary which followed young American men who had surgically transitioned and their regret. This is not new.

False dichotomy.
It isn't someone gets this kind of surgery meaning someone else doesn't get cancer treatment.

I think it probably does. This kind of sex re-assignment surgery, and all the aftercare involved, doesn't come cheap.

Seriously? Of course it’s about the money. Always about the money. People like to say it isn’t to try not to appear grabby, especially when it’s the NHS. But I’ll bet his solicitor has already plucked out a figure and the paperwork already sitting on the desks of the legal teams.

@User79865765 I agree with you. If his case succeeds and the NHS have to pay up £££, then I hope they'll think twice about offering this surgery to other people. Bottom line - money talks

And why, when so many NHS services are in crisis, is the NHS wasting money removing people's healthy genitals?

There's a Just Checking In podcast with the person in question: vent.org.uk/jcip-132-tullipr

The lack of sympathy towards him (as evidenced in this thread) as opposed to someone like Kiera Bell is stark.

False dichotomy.

It isn't someone gets this kind of surgery meaning someone else doesn't get cancer treatment.

The NHS shouldn't be providing surgery if the risks outweight the benefits.

As I said, if he was advised it would benefit him, the blame shouldn't be on him. If he wasn't advised it would benefit him, the NHS shouldn't have provided it.

No one would be saying this if it was surgery unrelated to gender identity.

I don't have time to read whole thread plus I am sick of woke culture, so I don't really care if I'm quoted or not. I don't feel sorry for him. I only feel sorry for people with cancer etc. who have to wait for their turn while money is recklessly spent on such stuff.

That’s quite a big “if” though. It seems far more likely that he was told of the risks, as is normal before electing for a procedure.

That is the removal of a healthy body part.

If the young women want the hysterectomy as a treatment for endometriosis or intractable fibroids, that's not a healthy body part.

If it's for prevention of pregnancy, I would wonder why tubal ligation wouldn't be appropriate.

When ideology meets medicine vulnerable people always pay the price.

Having healthy body parts removed and others mutilated should NEVER be viewed as the optimal outcome. It should be reserved for when all other avenues have been explored and exhausted, a choice of last resort.

The fewer people who have this surgery the better, not because there should be less trans people in the world but because there has to be a less brutal way to manage transition physically and mentally.

Stonewall, Mermaids et al should be collecting data, funding research, to ensure that gender questioning people in the future are supported in the safest and most effective ways possible. But they are way more focused on defending the ideology than actually helping trans people, who deserve much better care than they are getting.

But, above all, until the research has been done, stop mutilating people!

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In fairness, we see a lot of posts from women angry about the fact they they have been denied hysterectomies in their 20s or 30s case they change their minds about having children in future.

That is the removal of a healthy body part.

I actually read his Twitter feed.
And he comes across as kind,sweet and a little bit gullible.

And it seems he's suing the NHS so it doesn't happen to anyone else,rather than get a big pay out.

I do believe he was mis sold this ideology and he certainly should have done more independent research.
But he believed the doctors
He believed that was the best outcome for him.

I hope he wins just so there's more regulations put in place so hopefully it doesn't happen to anyone else.