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How to refuse to share pronouns verbally

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EthelbertaChickerel · 23/06/2022 10:18

I'm going to a course tomorrow, and have just received an email from the course leader. This includes her pronouns, and I'm now concerned we will all be asked to share them verbally when the day starts.

If it is just writing them on badges, I will leave it blank, but I don't know how big the group is, and I am worried that if it is small, we will be asked to introduce ourselves and share pronouns. I'm fine with the introductions, just not with the pronouns.

What is the best, but most polite, way to shut this down? I have paid quite a lot of money for this day and want to get as much out of it as possible, but am not happy to compromise my principles.

TL:DR - I love the Mumsnet standard 'my pronouns are sex-based, like my oppression', and would be happy to put that in an email, but not sure about saying it.
Does anyone have any alternatives?

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Chrysanthemum5 · 23/06/2022 11:17

I would just give your name and then look at the next person to show they should speak. If they insist I'd say I'd rather not. Realistically you've paid for this so don't worry about upsetting the trainer it's her job to make it go well

GCAcademic · 23/06/2022 11:14

I like the suggestion above of "I don't use pronouns". There is enough in those four words to shut things down whilst simultaneously making people wonder if you have a super-special top trumps identity which demands that other people avoid using any pronoun in relation to you.

BuanoKubiamVej · 23/06/2022 11:14

Just skip the pronouns bit when you are introducing yourself. If you are pressed/reminded then simply say "it's not OK to compel anyone to reveal information they don't choose to"

But I don't think you will be reminded. In my experience trainers who care about this issue will include their own pronouns when they introduce themselves in order to open up a space for anyone present who cares to be able to share pronouns without feeling awkward, but won't push it for anyone who doesn't want to.

Sittingonabench · 23/06/2022 11:13

I would try and breeze past it but if pressed I would say I find that subject too politically and socially polarised to be comfortable engaging with it in that setting. Difficult to respond to that as it’s true.

Terfydactyl · 23/06/2022 11:09

TeenPlusCat · 23/06/2022 10:50

I would think that mot of the time 'forgetting' to mention them would be sufficient.

Most of the time yes, but theres always the chance that someone will insist. And we are here to help in that one time.
Personally I'd go for just not giving any, if pressed depending on who is insisting
Yogyakarta principle 6 and leave them to Google, or explain if I think I need to
Highness/majesty
Big sigh and say why would I compel others to speak of me in a certain manner when I'm not there.
You what? Why would I decide pronouns for others to use? Is my name not good enough?

But I'm a feisty bugger and would lecture people on the bad side of compelling pronoun usage. Maybe not if I'd paid a ton of money.

Hallyup89 · 23/06/2022 11:06

My pronouns are what you would assume them to be.

EthelbertaChickerel · 23/06/2022 11:06

Loads of good suggestions- thanks everyone.

I don't want to appear 'difficult' but do men ever worry about this? Probably not!

No idea what the sex balance of the participants will be, and am interested to see if there is any sex-disaggregated data shared, as it would be very relevant to the subject at hand.

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dolorsit · 23/06/2022 11:05

I've been in a pronoun circle. Just state your name and then look at the next person expectedly.

In the unlikely circumstance that you are then challenged (never has happened yet) just state you do not wish to disclose, you could add that you would prefer to be referred to directly when present.

I've found that by the time it gets to me someone else (usually a bloke) hasn't bothered or been challenged.

southlondoner02 · 23/06/2022 11:00

I've been to a few meetings where we've been asked to share name, pronouns and job role. I generally just say my name and job role and I have noticed others do the same. They probably won't press you but you could just say you'd prefer not to say if you don't feel comfortable saying you don't agree with the ideology

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 23/06/2022 11:00

Oh actually I have done it twice and the second time the very woke organisation were falling over themselves to amend their forms so it was no longer mandatory!

JoodyBlue · 23/06/2022 10:59

for me I have just said my name and smiled broadly and looked to the next person - if pushed (which I haven't been) I would say "I prefer not to" and leave it at that. No-one worth their salt chairing a session would begin a discussion at that point. If they do, then there are bigger issues afoot.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 23/06/2022 10:59

The trouble is trying to forget/omit doesn’t always work: the time I invoked Yogyakarta was exactly the clichéd example of a white, straight, middle class woman trying to prove her allyship by insisting on a declaration. Someone before me ‘forgot’ and she insisted they answered.

Ohnohedident · 23/06/2022 10:58

God its difficult to resit a totally serious, sincere, ernest voiced 'my pronouns are wibble/wobble', looking round ernestly to the next person, small shy smile, like you do in new situations.

SpidersAreShitheads · 23/06/2022 10:57

Talipesmum · 23/06/2022 10:27

I’d probably breezily say “I’m X, I’m female” in response, if we were going round the room. And leave them to figure out the bleeding obvious from that.

There are lots of excellent suggestions on this thread but I especially like this one.

OP, if you like the MN special "my pronouns are sex-based, like my oppression" for emails, then how about simply "my pronouns are sex-based" for any intros?

I agree with others though, not especially likely to be asked to declare them verbally.

CatSpeakForDummies · 23/06/2022 10:55

If you are going to state yogyakarta principles, do it in an email in advance, not when you are sitting there and some poor unfortunate people have already felt forced to join in with it - that makes everyone awkward.

Similarly, if you said something along the lines of "I'm not comfortable discussing my pronouns," I would be more likely to assume you were hard work and kind of avoid you, more than if you said "she/her," in a not show-off-y way.

I've had the go round and it seems normal that one person just "forgets," and after them, nobody does it.

Signalbox · 23/06/2022 10:54

Keep it really simple.

Just introduce yourself using your name. If pushed to declare pronouns just say no thanks / don’t care / just call me by my name. I think this acts as resistance enough and will give confidence to others who wish to follow suit.

FixTheBone · 23/06/2022 10:52

I'm preparing for this at work (I'm a surgeon).

I generally avoid it by just using first names.

The one time a patient insisted, I replied ok - Smith, my pronouns are Jon/Jonathan (names changed to protect anonymity)

TeenPlusCat · 23/06/2022 10:50

I would think that mot of the time 'forgetting' to mention them would be sufficient.

PomegranateOfPersephone · 23/06/2022 10:50

Circumferences · 23/06/2022 10:49

Pronouns are in the eye of the beholder

I love this! Very succinct!

Circumferences · 23/06/2022 10:49

Pronouns are in the eye of the beholder

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 23/06/2022 10:47

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 23/06/2022 10:30

Specifically, Principle 6f.

yogyakartaprinciples.org/principle-6

Ensure the right of all persons ordinarily to choose when, to whom and how to disclose information pertaining to their sexual orientation or gender identity, and protect all persons from arbitrary or unwanted disclosure, or threat of disclosure of such information by others.

If you don't want to do it but also don't want to 'come out' as blatantly GC / unco-operative at the start of a day you've paid a lot of money for I think this is a great idea.

KangarooKenny · 23/06/2022 10:46

Lindy2 · 23/06/2022 10:24

I'd think I'd say " Actually I don't find declaring my pronouns necessary. Please just use my name".

This

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 23/06/2022 10:45

It depends on how you want to handle this, should it happen.

If they do the go round, do you want to object/comment? If not, will you be able to give yours and move on with your objective (the content of the course)?

If you're going to object, I wonder if you need to do it at the outset. If people state their pronouns, you are free not to state yours. Similarly, if you're invited. If however, you're asked to state them and you're not the next turn, you might need to chip in and say:

I wonder if we should remind people that Yogyakarta Principle 6f addresses the right to privacy. As my act of allyship, I shall not be stating my pronouns.

That way, other people who feel uncomfortable might feel supported.

ChimChimeny · 23/06/2022 10:45

I would be concerned that by saying you prefer not to say you are buying into the nonsense, whereas some of the other responses show that you don't.

PomegranateOfPersephone · 23/06/2022 10:45

I prefer not to mandate the pronouns people use about me as I am interested in how others perceive me so I prefer not to tell them how to perceive me but to leave them free to use their own judgment.

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I feel this approach supports a deeper and more honest interaction.

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