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How to refuse to share pronouns verbally

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EthelbertaChickerel · 23/06/2022 10:18

I'm going to a course tomorrow, and have just received an email from the course leader. This includes her pronouns, and I'm now concerned we will all be asked to share them verbally when the day starts.

If it is just writing them on badges, I will leave it blank, but I don't know how big the group is, and I am worried that if it is small, we will be asked to introduce ourselves and share pronouns. I'm fine with the introductions, just not with the pronouns.

What is the best, but most polite, way to shut this down? I have paid quite a lot of money for this day and want to get as much out of it as possible, but am not happy to compromise my principles.

TL:DR - I love the Mumsnet standard 'my pronouns are sex-based, like my oppression', and would be happy to put that in an email, but not sure about saying it.
Does anyone have any alternatives?

OP posts:
AlisonDonut · 23/06/2022 12:09

EarringsandLipstick · 23/06/2022 11:28

Personally I think this sounds unnecessarily rude

Why on earth would it be rude to cut this off at the start?

That's what these people reply on, nobody pushing back. The OP is the client here, paying for a service.

BruisedSkies · 23/06/2022 12:09

Ask them what a pronoun is.

RoseLunarPink · 23/06/2022 12:01

Depending on the context, I'd either say "I don't feel comfortable sharing my pronouns" (makes genderwoo-pushers suddenly think of you as potentially closeted trans and do whatever you want) or "I don't really have my own pronouns. If you would like to refer to me using a pronoun, I'm happy with whatever you think best." (i.e. I'm GC but made it sound fancy)

Pandaparty · 23/06/2022 11:57

Basically try and channel your tough old nanna who wouldn't have understood or held with any of it.

fromdownwest · 23/06/2022 11:56

Hi My name is x, my pronous are she/er, my coffee is white no sugar, Probably Stranger things, but the Wire is close, Hawaii, only once and didn't enjoy it, Probably Sushi, last year

Any other irrelvant information you require from me, please ask.

Pandaparty · 23/06/2022 11:56

No mention of them. If pressed, "Well, no one has ever mistaken me for a man before."

pangolina · 23/06/2022 11:48

I'd be tempted to say 'I'm Pangolina and my pronouns are it/that. Thanks'.

SquirrelSoShiny · 23/06/2022 11:40

My pronouns are 'gender' and 'woo'.

dolorsit · 23/06/2022 11:39

MsFogi · 23/06/2022 11:25

I will never state my pronouns but reading this does make me wonder how the f**k this works in practise - big group meeting/training etc, everyone introduces themselves and their pronouns, there is no way on earth anyone can remember that John is ze/zem, Emma is win/won, Henry is they/them, Fiona is he/him and Andrew is he/him when it rains but she/her when it is not raining. Does everyone spend the rest of the day/week correcting each other/asking for reminders/getting offended/doing contortions to avoid using pronouns at all? It is ridiculous and we all need to just say 'no'.

I agree - it's performative corporate bollocks, allowing the company to wave their "inclusive" values without having to do anything that costs money.

Terfydactyl · 23/06/2022 11:35

Shit, forgot to add the tribunal cases would soar, every time it was wrong, and every person would make it as difficult as possible to get it right and they mostly have no qualms about saying how shit everything is already, add the possibility of getting them on wrong pronoun useage and it's not a winning strategy.

Terfydactyl · 23/06/2022 11:33

MsFogi · 23/06/2022 11:25

I will never state my pronouns but reading this does make me wonder how the f**k this works in practise - big group meeting/training etc, everyone introduces themselves and their pronouns, there is no way on earth anyone can remember that John is ze/zem, Emma is win/won, Henry is they/them, Fiona is he/him and Andrew is he/him when it rains but she/her when it is not raining. Does everyone spend the rest of the day/week correcting each other/asking for reminders/getting offended/doing contortions to avoid using pronouns at all? It is ridiculous and we all need to just say 'no'.

I have said the same in my workplace.
Assuming everyone takes the piss, in my workplace they will, how do we remember 650+ pronouns? All the time. We wont, we will simply use names.
It did strike a chord though with the higher ups. And so for now, pronoun use is not even mentioned.
Pretty sure someone keeps raising the issue, but what I said has been kept in mind.
It's also only because we all know the piss will be ripped out of the whole issue. If they could be certain that most would comply like good little handmaidens then I suspect it would be pushed if not outright forced.

Oh and add in changing them every third Tuesday and on Friday everyone is a zer and we stand no chance.

EarringsandLipstick · 23/06/2022 11:31

First 'forget' to say. If pressed, say with a smile 'No, thank you'. If pressed further, say blandly 'It's not a practice I follow' and look expectantly at the next person.

Very good.

DameHelena · 23/06/2022 11:30

ChimChimeny · 23/06/2022 10:45

I would be concerned that by saying you prefer not to say you are buying into the nonsense, whereas some of the other responses show that you don't.

Agree with this. I'd just say politely 'No thank you' and repeat, more firmly, if pressed. I bet they don't though.

Iamnotamermaid · 23/06/2022 11:28

First pass 'Please use my name which is ..... '

If they insist I reply - 'unless relevant I tend to leave my gender & sexuality at the door. '

Seriously why do people feel the need to slap others around the face with this - unless they are uncomfortable with who they are.

Fitterbyfifty · 23/06/2022 11:28

You could say my pronouns are you and your and see if they question it!

EarringsandLipstick · 23/06/2022 11:28

AlisonDonut · 23/06/2022 10:33

I paid alot of money for this course, please stick to the course content and call me by my name.

Personally I think this sounds unnecessarily rude

KookaburraSits · 23/06/2022 11:27

Just don't say them. If pressed, say you'd prefer not to. If she then asks how people should refer to you then, you've got the option of saying, "By my name" or "

EarringsandLipstick · 23/06/2022 11:26

RoseslnTheHospital · 23/06/2022 10:25

I would just introduce yourself by your name and just not say anything at all about pronouns. If you are pressed to share them, I'd just say "no thank you" and pass over to the next person.

That's what I've done.

I prefer to keep it as low-key as possible in situations like this.

KookaburraSits · 23/06/2022 11:26

Just don't say them. If pressed, say you'd prefer not to. If she then asks how people should refer to you then, you've got the option of saying, "By my name" or "It's never been a problem before."

CriticalCondition · 23/06/2022 11:25

I'd keep it very simple. Sex Matters has a Pronouns at Work guide with good responses for both meetings and directives on email signatures.

First 'forget' to say. If pressed, say with a smile 'No, thank you'. If pressed further, say blandly 'It's not a practice I follow' and look expectantly at the next person.

MsFogi · 23/06/2022 11:25

I will never state my pronouns but reading this does make me wonder how the f**k this works in practise - big group meeting/training etc, everyone introduces themselves and their pronouns, there is no way on earth anyone can remember that John is ze/zem, Emma is win/won, Henry is they/them, Fiona is he/him and Andrew is he/him when it rains but she/her when it is not raining. Does everyone spend the rest of the day/week correcting each other/asking for reminders/getting offended/doing contortions to avoid using pronouns at all? It is ridiculous and we all need to just say 'no'.

saveforthat · 23/06/2022 11:23

I'm still angry from a course I went to a couple of weeks ago where the ice breaker was to get up from your desk and stand next to your pronoun (hand made paper signs).

GlitteryGreen · 23/06/2022 11:21

I wouldn't assume you'll need to do this just because someone has it in their email signature?

Plenty of people at my work have added it but it doesn't crop up outside of that. I doubt you will be asked, it will probably be up to people to state theirs if they feel the need.

FunnyTalks · 23/06/2022 11:20

While I love a lot of these responses, unless I was lucky enough to speak first, I think my nerves would be building as I awaited my turn. I both hate conflict AND being misunderstood.

I think I'd opt for the most basic truth so that I didn't disclose too much but equally didn't leave the conversation feeling violated (as I would if I "played along").

Something like "My name is Funnytalks and I don't mind what pronouns you use for me".

That way they can sit there pondering whether I'm excitingly fluid or an evil terf, whilst I get on with the course.

FatAgainItsLettuceTime · 23/06/2022 11:19

I was in a meeting the other week and about half the people introduced themselves according to the convention set by the host 'hi my name is xxxxxx she/her and I'm the 'job title'.'

The rest including me just said their name and job title. No one was questioned. If I'd have been asked if I wanted to share my pronouns I'd have just said No thank you.

I also deleted that bit off the email signature template and so have about 3/4s of the company from what I see.