That GC grenade that I chucked at work...

Having worked somewhat at the receiving end in this situation, sometimes this happens.

Despite the rather bland response, I would hope that some quite difficult decisions will now be going on in the background.

I've never faced this particular question in my professional life, but I have decided that I would push very hard if challenged, and would potentially have to resign if it came to it.

Great work OP

I didn't realise the thread had been pulled OP. Well done. I think that's actually a positive response. Acceptance with question IS dying, thank heavens, and even woke af law firms are starting to see the conversation HAS to be had, and that womens views on womens toilets must take precedence.

@Katypyee Yes yes, they just want to pee. Safely. Without threat or lost privacy. As do women. In any consent environment, the one who says NO take precedence. Else it's not consent, it's violation.

Personally I couldn't give a fuckadoodle about genitals. It's sex which concerns me, which is coded into every cell of every person there ever was or ever is, no matter what body modification they practice. No Thank You.

That was an excellent letter.

I have said before and I say again. I believe all people have the right to live in safety and dignity. That includes anybody who is trans.

I believe that predatory males will always look for any loophole that allows them access to victims. (As someone who works in a law firm and specialises in child protection and who previously worked in in NGOs that worked with trafficking victims I like to think I have an insight into this fact). I have no doubt that the bulk of TW wish to live their lives in peace. But as a pp said- the predatory males are not coming into our safe spaces with postit labels on their foreheads saying 'sexiual opportunistic predator'. (Although it could be said that the male prisoners committed of sex offences who then identify themselves into women's prisons come as close it it as one would think )

This madness has to end.

Well done op!

I wonder if sport will help - showing you can be inclusive by providing open categories (unisex loos) v single sex.

That is interesting - the penny is starting to drop that this is more complicated than peeing AND that they’ve created a culture where employees cannot raise legitimate concerns.

Well done!

Anyway well done OP. It was a great letter. I hadn't realised that term you used was one of the banned ones. We need a list.

I am sorry to hear that you felt you could not raise these issues other than on an anonymous basis.

I'm confused. You submitted the letter anonymously but the head of D&I replied to you personally?

Is it possible to post your letter please? I would love to adapt it and use it if possible. We’ll done!

honestly I don’t give a shit

Women just want to go about their lives without having to worry about male-bodied people in their single sex spaces.

Male-bodied people (previously known as ‘men’) are overwhelmingly responsible for violence against women - and they don’t come with labels, so we don’t know which ones are which. This means, we don’t like it when they push our boundaries and come into our single-sex (not gender) spaces. This includes, but is not limited to, bathrooms, changing rooms, hospital wards, prisons, and sports.

I know women’s discomfort is really annoying and inconvenient for transwomen.

But it’s not going to go away, and so we are going to continue to advocating for women. No apologies.

Women and girls would love to go about their lives without the fear and possibility of being molested, believe me.

Religious women need to pee too, it is ok to remove that right from them to validate someone else’s feelings?

Thank you for updating. I was very annoyed when your original thread was deleted.

As @Needmoresleep mentioned, your letter provided an excellent template if others wanted to copy it.

So no wonder it pissed people off.

Well done, @CraggyIslandTouristBoard - I'm doing the same in my work.

It's a difficult thing to do. Thank you - courage calls to courage.

Not much for thinking, then

Trans women (just like trans men) just want to go about their lives without people (women) thinking they are trans just to molest women in bathrooms. Trans women need to pee too. The fact that you (and many posters here) are so invested in people's genitals speaks volumes.

I admire you, Craggy. Your letter was calm and well researched, and it deserved a more thoughtful response. It's hard to keep persevering when you keep getting fobbed off. They obviously hope you'll eventually give up and shut up. But you're continuing in the same professional way. Let's hope you get a better answer, when they've realised you have raised issues that aren't going to go away.

Lookig forward to the update after this week's forum meeting too!

Well done OP - perhaps you should also share your letter with RollOnFriday, they are often good at covering/allowing discussion of this issue. And it is high time law firms should realise that these 'policies' are going to have an impact on women.

Brilliant to have an update, thank you very much

Great work OP!

Remember your original thread. It’s great that you are keeping the pressure on while protecting your career (even though it’s ridiculous you have to).

Thanks for the update 👍

I hope you work at my firm! Well done.