J Lo’s daughter

I’ll take honesty and reality over polite fantasy any day.

Saw this. They. But no one knows any more than that, trans hasn't been suggested.

I'd rather be a dick than a dick panderer.

"I'd use them as I'm not a dick so they haven't needed to respond"

Well that kind of thing is one of my reasons I will never use pronouns. It's pretty common for those demanding respect and special words to lack any respect for others. It's self defeating in the long run.

You know you can even buy a T-shirt on Amazon. "Use my pronouns or yours will be 'were/was'"

I'm supposed to be scared I guess, but I have a quite different reaction.

If all non-believers refused to play along, wouldn't we all be in a better place?

Not really as we'd be in a much more intolerant society and we've got enough of one of those already.

There is a child at my kids' school who uses the pronoun 'it'

For all the talk about pronouns and the countless people at my work who have put pronouns on email signatures, I have yet to meet anyone in a professional context who has requested a pronoun that is not aligned to their sex. So I haven't really tested myself, but as others have said, I don't tend to use a pronoun for someone when they are in the room; I refer to them by name. If I'm talking about someone to others I do struggle with using new pronouns. We had someone at work who transitioned to female and it felt very off to use "her" so I found myself using all sorts of grammatical tautology to avoid saying a sentence requiring a pronoun. I wouldn't deliberately use the wrong pronoun because a) seems a bit rude and b) I'd get into trouble for sure.

In a personal setting, I have a couple of friends with kids who use different pronouns. I take the lead from the parents (and in both cases the parents keep getting it wrong anyway).

I think I get where the OP is coming from. By conforming to the new pronoun conventions it gives legitimacy to the "gender woo woo" (came across that term on MN and love it). If all non-believers refused to play along, wouldn't we all be in a better place?

Obviously not. That would be as rude as using the wrong pronoun by drawing attention to it. You'd just say something like 'Sarah needs to delegate some of this work in order to get it all done today' rather than the obviously weird phrasing you know someone wouldn't use in practice. I agree I wouldn't deliberately or pointedly use the wrong name or chosen pronoun for someone but I also want agency over my own language. This is a respectful compromise.

I just see a mum supporting their child.

Great. That's what parents should do.

but if I felt they disliked their sex being highlighted I’d just use their name. Is this really so hard? confused
How does that work, though? Like you just say their name over and over?
"Sarah asked if Sarah could delegate some of Sarah's work as Sarah won't have time to do it all Sarah's self today?"
It'd be harder to wrap your head around that load of twaddle and contortions than just say her bloody pronouns in the first place 😁
Plus you'd come across as a bit odd.

I would never call somebody 'it', that is definitely rude!
Just for clarification in case you've read my comment wrong, neither would I .
My use of it in that comment was referring to the name.
If you were just saying that as a way to ignore my actual comment what I actually said about names, which you probably did as you think pronouns are "self indulgent tosh", then crack on.

I don’t use pronouns to describe people I’m conversing with, it’s extremely rude. If I did use a pronoun of someone who wasn’t present it would be most like be appropriate to their sex, but if I felt they disliked their sex being highlighted I’d just use their name. Is this really so hard?

I would never call somebody 'it', that is definitely rude!

Imagining J Lo on MN, . Shout out if you're here, J Lo!

J Lo music is not to my taste so I didn't listen but the stills look very sweet.

I think pronouns are self indulgent tosh tbh. Would use them to be polite or from fear of consequences.

I don’t regard them as ‘their’ pronouns. They’re words I use, or don’t use, depending on how kind I want to be. Usually I avoid them, so if I know someone wants me to use pronouns that don’t match their sex I try to use their name instead.

- I highly doubt j Lo has any clue about any of the topics on this thread etc so is just being a supportive parent, arguably.
Bit of a big assumption.

would love to know where people stand on this issue and if you have refused to use someone’s pronouns when asked how they responded.
I'd use them as I'm not a dick so they haven't needed to respond.

I see it as someone telling you their name is say Sarah and you be like "no, I'm not calling you that, I' m going to call you Julie instead.
Then keep calling them it even though they have told you it's not.
You'd find them rude and a bit weird, would you not?