Falon Fox interviewed on Today show

Hoping that people would look them up.

Except that if you'd listened to the interview, you would be none the wiser as to the sort of person Fox is

Or maybe it was just a good play. Get them in and everyone can see who we are dealing with.

He's said on Twitter he didn't know who fox was and neither did the producers. Which rather begs the question of whose idea it was to invite Fox on.

The Mail is carrying a report stating that Justin Webb did not know Fallon Fox's background. I had assumed he did:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10939649/BBC-presenter-admits-no-idea-transgender-athlete-interviewed-boasted-hitting-women.html

I listened walking to work and made some poor woman jump when I barked ‘testicles and a girlfriend!’ The BBC had no right to get this person on - although hopefully those who haven’t come across them will look them is and see their gloating social media posted about beating women up in the ring and how they injured a woman’s so badly in the ring that they couldn’t compete any more.

Oh well…

Not to mention Fox saying the decision would cause "real harm" to transpeople.

As opposed to the non-real harm caused to the woman with the fractured skull?

Fox came across as being totally demented-no physical advantage whatsoever conferred by going through puberty as a male? What fuck planet does that come from?

Little Owen is taking time off Twitter to write a big book. Whoopee!

I thought the segment was good.
FFox came across as quite sullen and inarticulate. And devoid of any logic. The sports commentator then came on and sounded reasonable, considerate and intelligent.
Justin let the interviewees do the talking which in this case, worked a treat.

I thought it was a pretty poor choice of interviewee. Not only has Fox broken the skull of a female opponent, Fox said they enjoyed doing it!

LOL! The standard OJ Twitter response to any unwelcome outbreak of sanity which cotradicts his purity bubble usually includes two or more of the following ingredients:

• trans genocide
• homophobic bigots
• right wing conspiracy funded by US Christian fundamentalists
• right side of history
• vile / disgusting
• homophobic bigots
• broody lesbians (oh no sorry that's when he's trying to be funny)

Has Owen Jones started tantrumming on Twitter yet?

What, he stopped? When was that?

Oh sorry, you mean about this specifically.

This is not my experience in the North at all! I am constantly flabbergasted how people I thought were sensible have switched their brains off!

Cone to sunny Lancashire, you'll be pleasantly surprised. SW et al have invested a lot in trying to capture health and social services but even there a lot of professionals push back- outside of these areas (plus academia and politics) there is no support for the nonsense.

That's what I think too. The comment about violence was unfortunate, to say the least, given Fallon's own personal history. It was good that Karen Pickering came on second so she could specifically contradict Fallon's assertion that any advantage is obliterated once trans athletes have reduced their testosterone.

Fallon's probably just worried his days of punching women in the ring are nearing an end.

The comparison with Black Women is such a racist and screwed up little game TRAs like to play. No one GC has ever suggested that Black Women aren't women. It's a rhetorical game the TRAs use. Go on Lipstick Alley if you want to see what actual Black Women think about it. Clue: they aren't impressed, and they don't want TRA 'support'.

Has Owen Jones started tantrumming on Twitter yet? That would make what's already turning out to be a very good day even better.

I wondered if the inclusion of Fallon Fox and reference to MMA was an act covert GC genius by a booker. A lot of listeners will have been pulled up short with a “wait, what? They’re letting males fight women in martial arts bouts?” 😮 A bit of googling thereafter would bring many people to the foothills.

It's a false comparison to say it's the same as excluding black women.

Has any light-skinned person pretended to be of a different race to that which they were supposedly 'assigned at birth', in order to compete against people with darker skin?

I should probably have more faith in the general public's ability to see through it (though my faith in that regard has been severely tested over the past years).

I may be biased because I come from the sensible North but I think the vast, vast majority see right through it.

It is sunlight that has resulted in things like the FINA rule change.

The Ben Cohen interview is amazing - one journalist interviewing … someone who isn’t. I think Justin Webb challenged him on assuming his identity to which Ben Cohen could only splutter.

The problem was that it generated no clarity because, despite being pressed hard, Cohen didn't answer any questions. That's fun once but not sustainable.

The great thing about letting Fallon Fox, Ben Cohen, etc talk (while contrasting it with someone with expertise) is they make themselves look like dicks.

I think, given the limited time, his style is to let interviewees to dig their own holes and then stand back. Also given that this may be an uphill battle re the both sides approach, there may be a deliberate space left for complainants. Quite late news on a Sunday so dearth of interviewees

Karen Pickering was great, I thought- extremely calm and clear.

Fair enough. Just frustrating when some statements are left to stand, but I should probably have more faith in the general public's ability to see through it (though my faith in that regard has been severely tested over the past years).

The Ben Cohen interview is amazing - one journalist interviewing … someone who isn’t. I think Justin Webb challenged him on assuming his identity to which Ben Cohen could only splutter.