Falon Fox interviewed on Today show

Yes. I think the woman whose skull was fractured was quoted as saying that she had not expected a blow of such force.

Was it fox who went onto the ring with an opponent who didn’t know their history?

Well of course, they are the Most Oppressed and Marginalised™️ community ever after all. 🙄
I really do hope Justin Webb does a follow up and explains in more detail about Fallon Fox’s background and apologises for having such a person on the show, or at the very least somebody bollocks whichever researcher suggested having Fox on. I was fuming listening to Fallon refusing to get into the science but still asserting that there’s no advantage for transwomen over women, knowing how badly Fallon had injured the women Fallon fought.

On another theme - did I just see the IK post office has designed a 50 year celebration of pride set of stamps - with the trans flag and a flipping drag queen?????

come on - most marginalised group have a 50p coin and set of stamps???

More R4 coverage.

The newscast podcast from Tuesday outlined the issues in what sounded (I was only listening superficially) like an objective way.

And there was a teaser that the new
podcast antisocial might cover the issue in more detail.

I know the BBC has lost a lot of staff but I assumed that there were still enough production staff on the Today programme to do some background searches on their guests.

However, maybe it will work out for the best. Fallon Fox appears to be very unapologetic. I did see one tweet commenting that the skull fracture was a very common injury in this 'sport' but there is overwhelming criticism (a) for the Today programme using Fallon Fox as a guest and (b) opposition to MMA matches in which women compete against trans women.

I’m amazed that a BBC journalist would not do the most basic research on the person they’re going to interview. Two minutes’ googling would tell you all you need to know about Fallon Fox.

At this level, this is why they have a whole team of bookers and researchers on whom they're supposed to be able to rely. There's a team of people who do the research and booking and provide the research notes to the producers and the presenter.

They trust the entire team to have each others' backs and do their jobs.

As above, I wonder if the bookers knew exactly who Fallon Fox is and if there there were some motivated reasoning behind the omission in the research briefing/notes. Relatively junior people can have a remarkable amount of influence if they're not impartial or act according to their preferred agenda.

‘So we need someone to speak for the trans side’

‘why not call Fallon fox?’

‘who’s that then?’

I’m amazed that a BBC journalist would not do the most basic research on the person they’re going to interview. Two minutes’ googling would tell you all you need to know about Fallon Fox.

The more of this reporting I read the more convinced I become that Kellie Jay's approach of refusing to use pronouns is the right one. I am now so very over seeing the pronouns "she/her" applied to men who beat up, assault, insult, and abuse women. It adds gaslighting to the violence and it sticks in my craw. So much for not offending people. It means that when people read a piece it is not immediately obvious that men are beating up women. It isn't proper reporting.

Completely agree.

Justin Webb has tweeted he didn't know.

He should have known. It's a failure of BBC diligence that he didn't. But there we are.

On the plus side, this item was the pick for the 'best of today' podcast. Lots of sunshine, lots of exposure.

I've written to R4 feedback and the BBC saying I'm glad it was covered, bu tthat I'm shocked by the choice of interviewee.

Friday at 4.30, repeated Sunday at 8pm and on BBC Sounds whenever you want (she intoned, trying to use the compulsory reference to Sounds).

It looks like the next broadcast is 8th July as it is not on every week:

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006slnx/episodes/guide

thanks for the links. Done. When is it on?

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Whatever the individual failings are, the BBC still stands for something globally. It has a reputation.

I don't know where we're supposed to be socially if we can not depend upon mainstream media the BBC to present relevant information. Distrust of media is a prerequisite for totalitarianism which is then followed by completely controlled media.

Forgive these young people and the older adults intimidated by them, they either know not what they do or are indifferent to the consequences because they consider themselves immune to them.

The more of this reporting I read the more convinced I become that Kellie Jay's approach of refusing to use pronouns is the right one. I am now so very over seeing the pronouns "she/her" applied to men who beat up, assault, insult, and abuse women. It adds gaslighting to the violence and it sticks in my craw. So much for not offending people. It means that when people read a piece it is not immediately obvious that men are beating up women. It isn't proper reporting.

"Miss Fox has since claimed to enjoy beating up women who oppose transgender rights, known derogatively as 'Terfs'."

sorry - meant to quote that part in my above post.

This ideology will eat itself from the inside.
I say get MORE of these people on TV and interviews. It's all fantastic exposure - when the general public see this for what it is, the whole thing crumbles under the weight of its own stupidity.

Comments on the Daily Mail article are supportive BUT annoyed that the DM have said "terfs are opposed to trans rights".

Nope.

I hope people do a little more researching off their own backs and don't just assume "terfs" hate all trans people, because that's the party line from the TRAs and it's just not true.

My thoughts exactly @EmbarrassingHadrosaurus

I wonder if the relatively junior bookers knew exactly whom they were booking and that there was a reason that there weren't any adequate research notes.

I can believe JustinW didn't know FF's background - because I'm sure, based on his previous interviews on related issues, he would have strongly challenged Fox about it. I'm pleased he tweeted what he did and hope he's kicking arses behind the scenes.

Someone sure as hell did know though, which is seriously worrying.

I hope feedback cover this (they will if enough of us contact them )

it really could be the answer to many questions…

'Testicles and a girlfriend' made me lol. Do you think passers by thought someone was asking you 'what shall I bring round tonight?' 😂

I liked his comment: 'not from the 'everyone calm down' perspective that fails to note who is violent and who is not'. Politicians might realise the 'calm down dear' line isn't going to wash much longer.

Question is, what's he going to do about it? Unless as pps said it was a sly move, he did know and it was a sneaky way of raising awareness of FF.