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Fina stops transgender swimmers from competing in women's elite events

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Kendodd · 19/06/2022 16:35

Common sense.

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/swimming/61853450

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LilyMarshall · 21/06/2022 18:58

Dreikanter · 21/06/2022 18:03

Ex Apprentice candidate Amy Anzel earlier doing the trans rights are human rights thing on Twitter might be surprised with the results of her poll.

I cannot see that on her twitter at a

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 21/06/2022 18:16

Dreikanter · 21/06/2022 18:03

Ex Apprentice candidate Amy Anzel earlier doing the trans rights are human rights thing on Twitter might be surprised with the results of her poll.

What's the betting she just deletes that and doesn't address it at all?

Dreikanter · 21/06/2022 18:03

Ex Apprentice candidate Amy Anzel earlier doing the trans rights are human rights thing on Twitter might be surprised with the results of her poll.

Fina stops transgender swimmers from competing in women's elite events
Dreikanter · 21/06/2022 17:56

There’s a lot of flailing around on Twitter from the TRAs and shouts of discrimination and transphobia. Even better, there’s a fuck of a lot of pushback from a wide range of people pointing out that nobody is banning transwomen from competing, they just have to compete in the appropriate (male) sex category.

PermanentTemporary · 21/06/2022 17:31

Fucking hell, genuinely furious at Charlie Martin, everybody's favourite smiley blonde posh sportswoman, who competes in a sport without sex categories sounding off about this. I wish all the middle class white jocks who've grown their hair would FUCK OFF on this. Glad to see some transwomen replying to say that FINA made a perfectly reasonable decision.

Datun · 21/06/2022 14:13

MarshaBradyo · 21/06/2022 09:08

Great news re rugby too

I wouldn’t be surprised if they all follow

Well done to everyone on mn who has pushed for this for years, on here and elsewhere

Yes. Nic Williams of Fair Play for Women has been relentless in her pursuit of fairness in sports. Including fostering relationships with Sharron and many others.

And as other posters are noting, it is the reaction of (some) transwomen to this news which provides all the justification for the news in the first place.

S'not fair, omg now trans people will drown, and I fucking love hitting women, me, being an example.

334bu · 21/06/2022 14:01

mobile.twitter.com/yougovchat/status/1538897754537316353

Yougov chat is asking for opinions on this decision

Helleofabore · 21/06/2022 13:38

Oh. All they said is they will follow the guidelines for international games and consider their options domestically.

And rolled out Union player Layt for comment.

"We are human beings, we have feelings, and we feel like we are being singled out," Layt told AFP.

Yeah, no shit Sherlock. Layt played as male in NSW state level Union in the women’s league and didn’t tell them they were male. Told the coach who allowed them to continue without alerting team members or opposition teams.

Then Layt won Sportswoman of the Year and other accolades and I don’t believe they had told those voting that this player was a male!

All at a time when women in Union was in its infancy and frankly even now the coaching and playing opportunities aren’t equal for girls and boys.

I don’t honestly know why Australian media include this person as a spokesperson. There attitude is one of arrogance and a history of dishonesty.

Helleofabore · 21/06/2022 13:30

That is great news luna!!!

considering Australian rugby didn’t follow WR this is BIG!

JanisMoplin · 21/06/2022 12:58

Nice interview. Good for her for saying what used to be unsayable until very recently.

Clymene · 21/06/2022 12:38

Interview with Sharron in the Times today: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3f3faec8-f0b2-11ec-b0c8-27c99cdfb733?shareToken=13b4e5c88643f76446a5ec5d0db723dd

It struck me that for her, this isn't just about sport and fairness, she and those East German athletes know exactly what excess testosterone does to female bodies.

Cailleach1 · 21/06/2022 12:22

Absolutely! Sharron Davies was a wonderful example of bravery. A woman who will stand up for right and truth. I hope she gets those medals that were cheated away. I imagine that is why she will call out cheating where she sees it. SD knows that women deserve fair sport.

And, can I say I am so happy that Justin Webb will not dissemble.

WarriorN · 21/06/2022 12:11

Sharron Davis:

Thank you I had FF played to me on several bbc interviews yesterday it’s really not right abusers are given a platform

WarriorN · 21/06/2022 12:10

Re fallon fox on radio 4 today: Justin Webb apologies and agrees they need to be more careful about who they invite on.

Fina stops transgender swimmers from competing in women's elite events
Fina stops transgender swimmers from competing in women's elite events
MarshaBradyo · 21/06/2022 09:08

Great news re rugby too

I wouldn’t be surprised if they all follow

Well done to everyone on mn who has pushed for this for years, on here and elsewhere

KittenKong · 21/06/2022 08:55

They will ignore it and fudge any certificates.

Kendodd · 21/06/2022 08:38

I wonder if this'll now make it's way into football? I believe the Iranian national women's team is mostly xy.

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Helleofabore · 21/06/2022 08:17

www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-league/61875651.amp

Now rugby.

I wonder if this is also the result of the UCI getting sports together to discuss? Or just the result of the Lia Thomas issue and swimming were not invited to discuss with Cycling . And whether UCI will make further changes.

NotBadConsidering · 20/06/2022 23:23

Yes, World Rugby’s ruling allowed individual unions to set their own rules. England’s RFU, and the Australian RU, among others, decided they were going to ignore World Rugby’s stringently researched policy which also involves a significant safety element not required for swimming, and allow self ID in rugby. It will likely take someone being killed or paralysed for them to consider the folly of their actions😡.

So hopefully swimming organisations will follow FINA’s lead.

With regards to Athletics, they’d better get a move on, because Mboma and Niyonsaba are likely medal contenders in the World Athletics championships in just over 3 weeks.

Dreikanter · 20/06/2022 23:12

Is CP Cabin Pressure? I am partial to a bit of John Finnemore …

OttersMayHaveShiftedInTransit · 20/06/2022 23:05

Dreikanter · 20/06/2022 22:42

And, @OttersMayHaveShiftedInTransit has the most fabulous user name.

Why thank you @Dreikanter I think it's Brilliant! There is a CP appreciation thread kicking around where we are discussing our love for the world's favourite air dot.

Dreikanter · 20/06/2022 22:42

And, @OttersMayHaveShiftedInTransit has the most fabulous user name.

Dreikanter · 20/06/2022 22:39

Plasmodesmata · 20/06/2022 19:10

Athletics could be interesting as the BBC report says, there aren't currently any top level transgender athletes on the level of Lia in swimming. But banning "any part of male puberty" is going to have an effect on the rules for DSD athletes, isn't it?

Yes, plenty of top level athletes that could be caught up in the FINA style 46XY provisions - Semenya, Niyonsaba, Mboma, Wambui, Masilingi.

longcoffeebreak · 20/06/2022 21:21

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/61865789

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