Page 18 | Fina stops transgender swimmers from competing in women's elite events

Kendodd · 2022-06-19T15:35:03+00:00

Common sense. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/swimming/61853450

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/06/2022 18:02

GrimDamnFanjo · 19/06/2022 17:59

I'm just left a little uneasy at the part which mentions transition treatment beginning before age 12?

My take is that it's a complete fantasy. No child who transitions before puberty will ever be able to compete in elite sport - their bodies will be totally compromised and they'll be on a lifetime regime of drugs and surgery - completely incompatible with elite sport.
It seems to be there as a token gesture?

Clymene · 19/06/2022 18:02

GrimDamnFanjo · 19/06/2022 17:59

I'm just left a little uneasy at the part which mentions transition treatment beginning before age 12?

I think it's so they can't say never ever. But realistically any boy who doesn't go through puberty isn't going to be able to compete in elected competition against girls.

Madcats · 19/06/2022 18:01

The thing about swimming is that most people in the infrastructure have either been swimmers or swim parents themselves (so have had many hours poolside either watching/volunteering/competing).

Finally some common sense. GB swimming will be fine with this.

Well done Sharon Davies and others.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/06/2022 17:59

SallyLockheart · 19/06/2022 17:48

finally, an organisation with a backbone. I wonder if the fact it went to a vote by member countries rather being entirely decided behind closed doors by a limited number of interested parties affected the decision made.

Think you're right. This was open and above board with the self interested not being allowed to dominate. Unlike the IOC with the self invested Joanna Harper who was allowed to use minimal inadequate research involving her mates to sell the idea of born males in women's sport.

GrimDamnFanjo · 19/06/2022 17:59

I'm just left a little uneasy at the part which mentions transition treatment beginning before age 12?

Wanderingowl · 19/06/2022 17:59

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 19/06/2022 16:56

Hopefully that's the case Vest but a blanket ban at all levels would be best. When I competed I knew I was never going to the elite levels but I enjoyed my level. And the competition still needed to be fair.

Do FINA have authority over lower level competitions?

McDuffy · 19/06/2022 17:59

SpringCalling · 19/06/2022 17:48

Do trans men have to go into the Open category? If so, they'll have no chance against the trans women. But presumably the TRAs cannot argue that ...

resources.fina.org/fina/document/2022/06/19/525de003-51f4-47d3-8d5a-716dac5f77c7/FINA-INCLUSION-POLICY-AND-APPENDICES-FINAL-.pdf

Subject to conditions, page 6/7

QueenofLouisiana · 19/06/2022 17:58

Glad they have done this. DS was a national level swimmer and even at this level the biological differences between m/f post-pubescent swimmers is huge. I’m pleased that the women he swam with will have their competitions protected.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/06/2022 17:56

SpringCalling · 19/06/2022 17:48

Do trans men have to go into the Open category? If so, they'll have no chance against the trans women. But presumably the TRAs cannot argue that ...

No - the policy (which is really worth reading) states that trans men are welcome to compete in women's swimming subject to specific drug requirements. I have no idea how significant the requirements are in easing out any advantages that transitioning may give a woman over other women.

resources.fina.org/fina/document/2022/06/19/525de003-51f4-47d3-8d5a-716dac5f77c7/FINA-INCLUSION-POLICY-AND-APPENDICES-FINAL-.pdf

MiniatureHotdog · 19/06/2022 17:56

Common sense! Well done Gina. Hopefully all other sports will now follow suit 👏

LaSavoie · 19/06/2022 17:56

Well thank fuck for that

SallyLockheart · 19/06/2022 17:48

finally, an organisation with a backbone. I wonder if the fact it went to a vote by member countries rather being entirely decided behind closed doors by a limited number of interested parties affected the decision made.

SpringCalling · 19/06/2022 17:48

Do trans men have to go into the Open category? If so, they'll have no chance against the trans women. But presumably the TRAs cannot argue that ...

McDuffy · 19/06/2022 17:47

WarriorN · 19/06/2022 17:33

Amusingly it was DH who told me this!

Same! I boycott the beeb but he likes their website

WarriorN · 19/06/2022 17:44

To be honest, I doubt team mates will take lia seriously.

WarriorN · 19/06/2022 17:42

QuebecBagnet · 19/06/2022 17:19

Is Lia finished? Do college events count as “elite” events.

I find it hard to see how college events could be taken seriously unless they follow athletic rules.

Noisyprat · 19/06/2022 17:42

Good news. Now remove LT times and medals from the record books and give the awards to the women.

WarriorN · 19/06/2022 17:41

Which is good news. From what I see of trans medication and impact on health they should be doing a lot of exercise to keep bones and heart healthy.

BootsAndRoots · 19/06/2022 17:37

Let's be clear this is not a ban on transgender swimmers, so therefore it is not a transphobic policy.

It is a ban on any competitor in the women's categories who has gone through male puberty.

This is a sensible policy and cannot be considered discriminatory either.

Tallisker · 19/06/2022 17:36

WarriorN · 19/06/2022 17:33

Amusingly it was DH who told me this!

Mine too! He's becoming more and more aware - and more and more outraged

RudsyFarmer · 19/06/2022 17:34

That policy sounds well thought out. Bravo!

WarriorN · 19/06/2022 17:33

Amusingly it was DH who told me this!

WarriorN · 19/06/2022 17:33

Sanity.

titchy · 19/06/2022 17:31

However....the tin foil hat gang wont like this because not only do they think they are women, no one else is allowed to think otherwise either-cue a load more toy throwing.....

Oh very true, but this leaves them with literally no defence other than 'we want to swim in the female category for validation'.

They aren't being stopped from competing, they'll be an elite category and there will almost certainly be plenty of sponsors and training opportunities so no one's career will be over.

Dreikanter · 19/06/2022 17:27

Interestingly, reading the policy document the Athletes Group were concerned about fairness and opportunities for females and the Scientific Group were unequivocal about the advantages arising from male puberty. Accordingly, the Legal and Human Rights Group were tasked only with tweaking the policy to ensure a sex based female category was in place.