Page 17 | Fina stops transgender swimmers from competing in women's elite events

Kendodd · 2022-06-19T15:35:03+00:00

Common sense. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/swimming/61853450

bloodyunicorns · 19/06/2022 18:20

*potentially

LilyMarshall · 19/06/2022 18:20

bloodyunicorns · 19/06/2022 18:18

Good.

But I hope their saying that 'transition must be completed by the age of 12' doesn't push parents with kids who think they're trans into taking blockers and having surgery before the age of 12...

I worried about increased child abuse by pushy parents when i read that too.

and an open category! It is like they have read all the sensible suggestions on mumsnet.

are the white mediocre men frothing already?

Bollindger · 19/06/2022 18:20

I heard a statement the other day.
Why should we ask women have to agree to a lie, that is not biologically untrue?
Every cell of a person is either male or female, you can't swap,

bloodyunicorns · 19/06/2022 18:20

But a blanket ban would be best. If a born male competes against women, they're still taking a race spot from a woman, and perennially a winning place.

puffyisgood · 19/06/2022 18:20

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/06/2022 18:02

My take is that it's a complete fantasy. No child who transitions before puberty will ever be able to compete in elite sport - their bodies will be totally compromised and they'll be on a lifetime regime of drugs and surgery - completely incompatible with elite sport.
It seems to be there as a token gesture?

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yeah, I think 'be kind' probably does kick in for those poor wretches, their male advantages will be very modest and I should think they'll have much bigger things to worry about than any sporting career

PermanentTemporary · 19/06/2022 18:19

Absolutely fantastic. Hope other sports follow.

bloodyunicorns · 19/06/2022 18:18

Good.

But I hope their saying that 'transition must be completed by the age of 12' doesn't push parents with kids who think they're trans into taking blockers and having surgery before the age of 12...

RubyTrees · 19/06/2022 18:18

However, 'Athlete Ally' - an LGBT advocacy group which organised a letter of support for transgender American swimmer Lia Thomas in February, called the new policy "discriminatory, harmful, unscientific and not in line with the 2021 IOC principles".

"If we truly want to protect women's sports, we must include all women, we must include all women."

Unscientific - hilarious!

Soontobe60 · 19/06/2022 18:16

DodoPatrol · 19/06/2022 18:12

Maybe, maybe not, Soontobe60. There might be loads of transgender swimmers who were trying to decide whether to compete in the women’s category but felt it to be physically unfair to do so.

You’re far more generous in thought that I am. IMO, and in face of the evidence currently out there, TW athletes who so far have attempted to compete in the womens categories of their sport have been men who once were elite, then lost their form in some way and coincidentally chose to transition at the same time as they tried to enter the women’s competitions.

Soontobe60 · 19/06/2022 18:13

happydappy2 · 19/06/2022 18:06

Although this is a huge step in the right direction-why don't they take this full circle and say no one born male can compete in the category of women?
If pushy parents have an effeminate son, who is a great but not the best swimmer-what's to stop them transitioning him at age 11, so s/he can then compete and most likely win against girls that age.

One would hope that common sense would prevail! There’re a lot of experts out there who are now pointing out that suppressing puberty is downright dangerous. A male would have to be on PBS from an extremely young age in order to ensure he doesn’t go through male puberty at all. As a teacher, I know most 11 year old boys would certainly be too immature physically to go on to compete against girls who go through their puberty without the benefit of their own T boost.

VestofAbsurdity · 19/06/2022 18:13

The usual suspects are having a full on meltdown on Twitter.

I bet they are, any highlights?

DodoPatrol · 19/06/2022 18:12

Maybe, maybe not, Soontobe60. There might be loads of transgender swimmers who were trying to decide whether to compete in the women’s category but felt it to be physically unfair to do so.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/06/2022 18:12

Dreikanter · 19/06/2022 18:09

The usual suspects are having a full on meltdown on Twitter.

The Budapest location for the meeting is causing conniptions - it seems to have escaped them that the FINA World Champs has started and that’s why all the FINA country reps are there.

The toddler tantrums will be epic. Trans extremists rarely have anyone saying no to them. They won't have read the policy and they are not interested in women's swimming or sport - merely the opportunities that it offers to them for self promotion.

dropthevipers · 19/06/2022 18:12

Sharron Davies on radio 5 live just now giving no fucks whatsoever (politely)

Dreikanter · 19/06/2022 18:09

The usual suspects are having a full on meltdown on Twitter.

The Budapest location for the meeting is causing conniptions - it seems to have escaped them that the FINA World Champs has started and that’s why all the FINA country reps are there.

Soontobe60 · 19/06/2022 18:09

titchy · 19/06/2022 17:01

Good. And they'll provide an open category for those who have transitioned. That's a win-win isn't it? There'll be an elite open category for Lia et al. So no one is discriminated against. I'm pretty sure there'll be enough companies out there who'll be falling over themselves to sponsor an elite trans athlete who competes in the open category. So lia's career can continue. Fab news all round.

I should imagine Thomas will be competing in a 1 horse race😳

pushingpoppies · 19/06/2022 18:08

Really hope all other sports follows suit. Happy for everyone, women and transwomen, all get to complete at elite.level, but fairly

Supersee · 19/06/2022 18:07

*42

Supersee · 19/06/2022 18:07

Bravo! Unbelievable that it's even up for debate. 46 against is still pretty worrying.

happydappy2 · 19/06/2022 18:06

Although this is a huge step in the right direction-why don't they take this full circle and say no one born male can compete in the category of women?
If pushy parents have an effeminate son, who is a great but not the best swimmer-what's to stop them transitioning him at age 11, so s/he can then compete and most likely win against girls that age.

FOJN · 19/06/2022 18:05

I'm just left a little uneasy at the part which mentions transition treatment beginning before age 12?

It says transition must be completed by the age of 12. Let's hope there is no one out there prepared to administer opposite sex hormones and perform surgery on anyone so young.

BruceAndNosh · 19/06/2022 18:05

Yes!
And yes to creating an Open category too so that those genuine transgender athletes (as opposed to those men who can't beat other men so decide to compete against women) can compete fairly as well

SuspiciousDuck · 19/06/2022 18:04

Stunning and brave.

KangarooKenny · 19/06/2022 18:03

Good. Hopefully they will do this with toilets and changing rooms too.

Clymene · 19/06/2022 18:02

Elite. Girls/women who are going through/have gone through puberty