Fina stops transgender swimmers from competing in women's elite events

It was the majority of the Athlete Group
that agreed with protecting the female category. You can probably speculate on who made up the minority view.

Fair point Dreikanter, however, they cannot argue they weren't included.

reddit is not the best place to go looking for those people!

If he came out and said it was all to make the point then I wouldn't believe him.

If he produced evidence from years back that this was his plan all along, he was never trans and he'd taken hormones as a self-sacrifice for women rights then I think he'd have to go down as a legend!

Hurrah! This is justice, fairness, and inclusion.

Eg, top woman's time was a new world record.

Youngest boy I've seen there winning gold over an adult woman was 14.

‘If trans subreddits can be a little bit supportive then anything is possible!’

Credit where it’s due - lots of trans people can see how much damage literalism has done to the level of their acceptance in society.

Good website that tracks high school boys scores v women Olympians/ competitive athletes.

boysvswomen.com/#/

Wow, this is big.

Out of interest I went onto honesttransgender on reddit (batshit crazy subreddit, but much less batshit than most) and there was a thread "FINA bans trans women from women's swimming tw: facts". All it said was "And how is that a bad thing exactly?... Oh yeah, it isn't. It's literally there to be fair and keep opportunities for cis women." Most responses were to be expected but a significant number of posts are in support.

If trans subreddits can be a little bit supportive then anything is possible!

Fantastico

Lordy, some actual common sense!

Great news! Well done FINA for using your brains and backbones.

Major thank-you to Sharron Davies and all the other women who were brave enough to raise their heads above the parapet on this.

Thank fuck for that. I wasn't at all sure common sense would prevail.

Excellent news from FINA and it sounds like a step in the right direction. Lia Thomas's statement of 'Let trans kids play' on an arm when competing sums up everything that was wrong with the situation. They are competing, not playing and competition needs to be fair.

Thank goodness for that.

And there are actually a fair few in the trans scientific community who would say so.

Good the right decision

And yet transgender people were included on the Athletes Committee that fed into the report and, surprisingly, they did not agree with the bods of Athlete Ally.

It was the majority of the Athlete Group
that agreed with protecting the female category. You can probably speculate on who made up the minority view.

It’s been said on here previously that Lia Thomas was actually doing everyone a favour by shining a light, well we have Lia to thank in a way by exemplifying the issues so beautifully….even down to the fact that Lia’s performance was at times clearly sub optimal, in what could be seen as an attempt not to wipe the floor with the female opponents.

Along the lines of “decisions made by out of touch white male baby boomers” and “disgusting transphobia, you’re going to get your asses sued off”.

And yet transgender people were included on the Athletes Committee that fed into the report and, surprisingly, they did not agree with the bods of Athlete Ally.

According to the Times, delegates were told by experts that in swimming by the age of 14, the best boys in the world are already racing faster than female World-record pace. The American 13-14 boys age group records in the 50, 100, 200m freestyle are all faster than the Women’s world record in those events

Article in the Times:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d4af4e18-efeb-11ec-9bea-abc2bc5953e5?shareToken=eeb33a6ee3ef80d9930bda90c49ce724

On another note, the policy confirms that transmen can compete in the male category, subject to a TUE and a safety waiver form for water polo and high diving, and that transwomen are welcome to compete in the male category.

Along the lines of “decisions made by out of touch white male baby boomers” and “disgusting transphobia, you’re going to get your asses sued off”.

Seems to have bypassed them that transwomen can still compete - just not in the protected female category.

Lots of focus on the Tanner Stage 2 / Age 12 requirement as the definition of male puberty (given that it’s unlikely in the UK that puberty blockers would be available at this stage / age).

Great news and a total win/win with the open category. It would be great to see this apply to non elite levels too and other sports. The organisation opposing this have no argument other than 'transwomen should be included because that's what they want. End of'. I'm glad that has been dealt with fairly and meticulously.

This is wonderful. It's realy given me a boost to my day.

But not all men?