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Janice Turner on the Menopause Industry

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Hagiography · 18/06/2022 20:40

A thoughtful and timely article.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/menopause-industry-is-misleading-women-mpmh29p08

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ImAvingOops · 19/06/2022 15:19

Lots of things are 'natural'. Doesn't mean we shouldn't treat symptoms that have a detrimental effect on our quality of life.
To me ageing does equal decay and decline - certainly the vaginal atrophy and bladder issues didn't make me feel young and on the up! I'm lucky I didn't have to cope with them at work or I would have been one of those women having to give up a career because my symptoms were not compatible with holding down a full time job!

No one is saying to give HRT to people without symptoms but it shouldn't be so bloody hard to get it if you do.

Funny how this backlash against HRT happens as soon as women start to get vocal and demanding that our needs are met in the health service!

Ncwinc · 19/06/2022 15:14

How about treating women as individuals, with individual medical needs. Women aren’t clones and we all have different experiences.

We know from various studies that women have serious pain and other symptoms dismissed by medical professionals simply because of their sex. When it comes to anything that’s hormone related it’s even worse. First it’s periods, then childbirth then menopause. It’s bad enough being patronised by male doctors but to have other women treating you like you’re just making a fuss is the limit.

For some women menopause might be a breeze just as some women have light, 4 day periods with the odd cramp. For some women hormonal contraception is a nightmare even though thousands of other women get on with it well enough. Why is it hard to fathom that some women have a much worse time during menopause?

To me it seems to be linked to the attitude of those who fetishize ‘natural’ birth and act like having a C-section somehow shows a lack of character. Needing HRT doesn’t show a lack of moral fortitude.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 19/06/2022 15:09

Many years ago women were home makers, many of them didn’t work and were given Valium to shut them up.

OT. Lots of women did work because they've never been able to afford not to work. I'll never understand why they're so invisible. They weren't in well-paid or valorised occupations but that doesn't mean that they didn't work.

They were still given valium, of course.

KangarooKenny · 19/06/2022 15:02

Many years ago women were home makers, many of them didn’t work and were given Valium to shut them up.
Now women are working into their 60’s and beyond, they can’t be expected to power through something as consuming as menopause. Some women skip through it with nothing, others struggle. Also, many women are having children later so they’ve got kids, and peri menopause, and work, and home at the same time.

WhiteCatmas · 19/06/2022 14:58

It’s occurred to me that it’s just another way of trying to diminsh women at the prime of life.
Women in mid to late 40s, accomplished, top of her game, vast network, probably finished with the bulk of raising very small children.
Let’s label her as soon to be unemployable because of imminent brain fog and mood swings.
Sigh

Blimeyherewegoagain · 19/06/2022 14:54

They used to put women into institutions for suffering with “nerves” or being “feeble minded” when the reality is it was probably menopause symptoms, but we’re not going back to that.
Why then the sudden panic over HRT ? It’s life changing for so many.

Penguinsaregreat · 19/06/2022 14:48

What a load of bollocks.
How about telling men to stfu when they complain about something.
Fact; in the past plenty of babies died due to lack of medical intervention. Therefore instead of medicine helping them let’s leave them like we did in the olden days, after all mankind and womankind didn’t die out now did we?……….,

LaingsAcidTab · 19/06/2022 14:39

My overriding sense when reading JT's article was that she almost certainly hasn't taken HRT, and so comes from a specific standpoint.

I think she misunderstands the reasons for it: for her, it has become an elixir of youth, when in fact, as one commenter clearly put it, the truth is that many of us need to take it simply to feel functional again.

I'm also so very bloody tired of the old chestnut that women in older generations managed to cope without HRT, because it rides roughshod over so many variables, not least the fact that our physiology and our environment (which frequently overlap) have changed, and so medicine has had to change too.

Generally, journalists are people who are in the public eye, who write for publications that are in the public eye, about people in the public eye. They are already biased towards a view point that is fixated on how they and others are perceived. Most of us, however, are not, and our problems are far more practical: how to stop the aching, the rages, the flushes, the sleeplessness, the forgetfulness, the dryness, the itching, the loss of libido, the loss of muscular control in our pelvic floor, the increase in UTIs, in bowel problems - all of which are very real, and I'll be damned if I'm going to swap my HRT for a load of platitudes about "we all had to soldier through, so button it, please". Fuck that.

Hagiography · 18/06/2022 22:08

I don't think anyone is suggesting it's not real?

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Horological · 18/06/2022 21:39

I get a strong feeling of déjà vu from this. The way certain topics are covered hasn't really changed for decades, though the medical warnings and the removal of them later etc. do change

@nepeta

Absolutely!

I'm not a doctor so I don't have the definitive word on this. I'm a sociologist and have been through the menopause though. It's real alright, whichever way you cut it. Medical, psychological, social, cultural...it exists for sure.

I also totally agree it can (and has)been monitized. That doesn't mean that us silly heads have imagined it though.

It's real. It has ALSO been commodified.

nepeta · 18/06/2022 21:27

I get a strong feeling of déjà vu from this. The way certain topics are covered hasn't really changed for decades, though the medical warnings and the removal of them later etc. do change.

Hagiography · 18/06/2022 21:12

Ah, sorry, didn't realise it was subscriber only.

Thanks for link to other thread, and BMJ article is here:

www.bmj.com/content/377/bmj-2021-069369

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EarringsandLipstick · 18/06/2022 20:54

"Doctors warn against over-medicalising menopause" www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4570660-doctors-warn-against-over-medicalising-menopause

There's a thread already.

Thoughtful & timely would not be the words I would use.

Simplistic & patronising perhaps.

cantheydothisreally · 18/06/2022 20:50

Thanks for the link 🥰

cantheydothisreally · 18/06/2022 20:41

Would love to read but not a subscriber
Could you summarise?