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FINA Set to Announce Transgender-Participation Guidelines

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Helleofabore · 18/06/2022 03:30

www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/fina-set-to-announce-transgender-participation-guidelines-standards-expected-to-be-strict/

On Sunday, during the World Championships in Budapest, FINA is expected to reveal its transgender-participation guidelines. For several months, the international governing body for aquatic sports has been working with national federations, including USA Swimming, to design competition standards for transgender athletes.

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It is expected that the threshold for transgender inclusion will be challenging to meet, as FINA has discussed the issue closely with USA Swimming, among other national federations. USA Swimming’s guidelines for transgender participation require athletes to possess a testosterone level of less than 5 nmol/L for 36 months.

It will be interesting to see what they say. However, as many experts are now saying, it is pointless to keep reducing T levels and extending time periods.

Ultimately, I expect sports will get to a place in years to come where they will change the guidelines back to ‘female only’. This concept of inclusivity is not symmetrical. Even the UCI admitted that females will not have an ‘equal’ chance at success and they deemed that acceptable.

From the UCI document:

It is paramount, however, that all athletes competing have a chance to succeed, albeit not necessarily an equal chance and in line with the true essence of sport.

And this paper Why the Trans Inclusion Problem cannot be Solved by Tomas Bogardus might also be of interest.

philpapers.org/archive/BOGWTT.pdf

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Hoardasurass · 18/06/2022 09:30

Fingers crossed that they have a woman's (XX only) group and a male/open group

Hagiography · 18/06/2022 08:51

Look forward to this.

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Helleofabore · 18/06/2022 08:47

One can only wish, 334bu.

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334bu · 18/06/2022 06:12

Maybe we could get lucky and they will admit the truth and say " Sorry no way to make this fair, so if you are biologically male you can't compete in the female category"

achillestoes · 18/06/2022 06:08

‘It is paramount, however, that all athletes competing have a chance to succeed, albeit not necessarily an equal chance and in line with the true essence of sport.’

This is idiocy. Obviously not all athletes have an equal chance: some have talent, some have natural advantages not shared by other people who compete in the same group as them.

Doesn’t mean we let some people compete in the wrong groups. That means they have unfair advantage.

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Helleofabore · 18/06/2022 04:19

SD1978

I am sure many will be watching carefully. And there will be many people flicking their lush long locks dramatically at the announcement if the restrictions are as strict as some pundits have suggested.

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Helleofabore · 18/06/2022 04:16

I suspect though that there will be a great deal of discussion about this announcement next week.

Particularly if FINA come close to matching UCI testosterone levels.

The males who wish to compete or support other males competing in female sports categories are already voicing their disagreement based on health.

Who knew that male bodies need a certain level of testosterone for long term health that would make female bodies very unhealthy??? Almost like they have to admit that they are not female athletes and stop using the phrase ‘other female’ athletes that has snuck in recently. Even in the UCI document.

I mean, I think testosterone levels are not the issue anyway, all males who have been through male puberty, and maybe even those who have taken puberty blockers considering the latest Dutch study this month showing that puberty blockers have little effect on male height and those males may still even have height advantages over females.

However, like all other athletes who have to make tough choices about competing versus taking medication that has effects on performance, why do these males persist in believing they deserve to have special exemptions?

They can be like other males who have to take performance limiting treatments for their health and still compete with other males, accepting they may have lower performance levels than before.

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SD1978 · 18/06/2022 04:11

But male bodies have no advantage didn't you know without the pesky T- the development and bone structure means nothing if you grow your hair, that causes the female drag that slows you down......HmmHmmHmm will be interested hear if they back women athletes.

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