Say ‘women’ not ‘people with ovaries’, Sajid Javid orders NHS as experts warn woke language puts patients at risk

Anyone can write to Government Departments, I do it regularly and mark it for the attention of the person you wish to address

Great, agree it should be retrospective

On that basis, you might have a jar of ovaries.

The thing about words like penis owners - what if the penis isn’t attached to them? I might own a penis, perhaps one saved from a family pet, and therefore consider myself a penis haver or owner but as i am not a man I won’t be at risk for the relevant diseases.

This ridiculous terminology is harmful to everyone.

Yesterday on the news was a male breast cancer survivor. Now most people think it is a female only cancer, it is not.

When people start seeing stuff like "men and women have periods" they understand that to be trans-inclusive language, but it's a boy who cried wolf scenario, so more people are likely to see "men and women get breast cancer" and think that that is trans-inclusive language too and that biological men don't get breast cancer.

Well - probably people with testicles but I wouldn't like to split hairs ☺️

I'm loving the public statements being put out by those in power calling out his absolute fuckery and erasure of women, as if biological women are somehow a walking hate crime and a dirty word, instead of biological fact and part of the human race in our own right.

Women are not a body part, as the NHS thinks and we are not a bodily function, as sanitary product manufacturers seem to think.

Until women are given their identity back men and trans will now be referred to by me as people with a penis, people with testicles, and people who ejaculate.

The enablers and fact deniers are so keen for equality, I am now leveling up the language I use and playing then at their own game in every statement on every platform, regardless of context.

It's a step in the right direction, but the government need to stop just scratching the surface. They're firefighting little outbreaks, when they need to tackle the reason why it ignites in the first place.

Yes, the only option and way forward I can see is legislation.

That affects men, apparently.

Really? It should obviously affect people with a prostate and a penis.

Just checked the NHS page on testicular cancer.

That affects men, apparently.

It's a step in the right direction, but the government need to stop just scratching the surface. They're firefighting little outbreaks, when they need to tackle the reason why it ignites in the first place.

And one of those reasons is that this mangling of language has been taught in schools. And has been for years.

There will be youngsters coming through the system who genuinely do not think they are girls or women. And therefore sex based language doesn't apply to them. They've been told to look out for 'people with ovaries', instead of women

If he's going to make sure that the NHS reverts to sex based language, he has to make sure that our children's relevant education is also sex based.

Good. And about time too. The NHS spent decades making their publications clear so that more people, including non-native speakers and those with learning disabilities, could understand them. In the last few years this has all been cast out by an excess of woo.

Yes you can, and yes they will (well the civil servants will reply at any rate) 😊

ChristinaXYZ I write to my MP and he then writes to a relevant minister. He gets replies - usually a response from a useless civil servant who's drunk the Stonewall kool aid but more recently there are signs of rationality and intelligence emerging in responses.

I wrote to Sajid Javid and the head of NHS England, Amanda Pritchard back in March, enclosing a printed out copy (as well as the link) of this paper, demanding they write to all NHS trusts and instruct them to maintain use of sexed language except for specific areas where that was not the most appropriate language.

Neither of them have replied to me.

But I like to hope that my letter may have contributed in some small way to this statement from him.

I suppose I ought to do a follow up letter really.

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Last time I wrote to my MP was to ask him to support Liz Truss in maintaining single sex spaces for women, he passed on a copy of my letter to Liz Truss. He had a letter back from Kemi Badenoch asking him to thank me for raising this important issue and to reassure me that maintaining access to single sex spaces is important to the government. The letter also outlined the issue briefly for him. I consider all that positive because now he has it from a minister for equalities as well as from a constituent.

I also emailed Liz Truss on a separate occasion (not my MP) and received a reply. As I understand it MPs may reply to those who aren’t constituents but are not obliged to.

Women's health isn't given the support it needs anyway, so the last thing we need is time wasted on fudging the language around it.

E.g. I forget how many maternity scandals I have seen in my adult life, with the same mantra, lessons will be learnt, improvements made, until the next scandal with exactly the same causes comes along.

i cannot believe anyone of sound mind would ask that question of an elderly, confused, worried patient. How is she helped by that?

If the NHS or any other body dealing with medical matters including charities won't change back to sex based language then there will have to be legislation to force them to do so and that is what I think needs to happen now.

I will write to Mr Javid, his words are not enough he needs to make it implicit and non negotiable, why the fuck should women pay taxes to a body that erases them and the medical conditions that ONLY affect them?

Javid has been great on this. Not fast enough but he’s getting there. Next the Rainbow Badges scheme. NHS institutions shouldn’t be measured against how many of their staff are outing themselves at work.

I am glad he's spoken out. I don't have a great deal of sympathy for transmen who would rather compromise their health rather than admit that biologically they are women.

I note of course that they didn't change the pages about prostate havers and cancers, and surely the TWAW brigade are just as likely to get this as a biological man.

I think letters at this moment are a good idea. We seem to be reaching a tipping point.

I know that MPs don't reply to people who are not their own constituents but can you write directly to a minister in the person's capacity as a department head? Do ministers reply if directly addressed at his or her department rather than the House of Commons? Or are we better just writing to our own MPs (mine is useless and just sits on the fence)?

Excellent news but he also needs to reverse what's been done already.