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UK not polarised over trans equality

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SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 16/06/2022 09:38

The British public are not bitterly polarised over trans equality, according to new research, which found a majority agreed schools should talk to pupils about transgender issues and that one in four knows a trans person personally.
Thought to be the most in-depth UK study to date of public attitudes to what has become a notoriously toxic discourse in politics and on social media, the report from More in Common identifies a radically different attitude among ordinary people, who approach issues of gender identity from a position of compassion and fairness, often informed by their own relationships with trans people. www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jun/16/britons-not-bitterly-polarised-over-trans-equality-research-finds

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BloodyHellKen · 16/06/2022 10:19

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KimMumsnet · 16/06/2022 10:18

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SpinRiverSister · 16/06/2022 10:18

As with any survey, the results can be gamed, depending on what you ask and what information and definitions you give to the respondants.

This is no different.

Hoardasurass · 16/06/2022 10:15

The report was written by an ex stonewall employee who is clearly biased as can be seen by the questions have you seen the times article on this

AnneLovesGilbert · 16/06/2022 10:11

BigWoollyJumpers · 16/06/2022 10:09

one in four knows a trans person personally

I call bullshit on this - who the hell did they ask?? On generous estimates only 0.007% of the population are trans. This is therefore statistically impossible.

Well indeed.

TheKeatingFive · 16/06/2022 10:10

I don't think answering "yes" to the two questions you mention means that it's all hunky dory!

Yes, there are limitations of surveys. It's not possible to check respondents understanding of questions and by necessity, wording can't be too complex. I would hope in a situation like this that qualitative work was done alongside to add more nuance, but it doesn't look that that was the case.

BigWoollyJumpers · 16/06/2022 10:09

one in four knows a trans person personally

I call bullshit on this - who the hell did they ask?? On generous estimates only 0.007% of the population are trans. This is therefore statistically impossible.

DodoPatrol · 16/06/2022 10:07

How does that help, though, without defining terms? 'a trans woman is a woman' is incorrect if a woman means female, and meaningless if a woman means 'feeling like a person who feels like they think a woman should feel'.

Did they actually explain to people that 'trans woman' means transitioned male person and not transitioned female person, as I definitely know people who assume it's the other way round?

GreatCrash · 16/06/2022 10:01

So my personal opinion is that yes, I think schools should talk to pupils about transgender issues and yes, I know a transgender person personally.

However, I do still think there are concerns around serious issues such as safeguarding and fairness in sport. I don't think answering "yes" to the two questions you mention means that it's all hunky dory!

Babdoc · 16/06/2022 10:01

According to the Times, Brighton was one of the centres for the survey. I suggest this means it was totally unrepresentative of average UK attitudes. Try repeating it in Bradford, for example!

AnneLovesGilbert · 16/06/2022 10:01

Published on Thursday, the report reveals widespread acceptance that a trans woman is a woman and a trans man is a man, with 46% agreeing, 32% disagreeing, and 22% who don’t know, with agreement highest among younger generations.

Do the people agreeing TWAW and TMAM realise that all you have to do is say you’re the opposite sex rather than have surgery? I doubt it. Most people don’t seem to think identity trumps biology.

Throckmorton · 16/06/2022 10:01

And? It's possible to be compassionate and fair and to also think women need single-sex (not gender) spaces away from males.

SleepyMc · 16/06/2022 09:58

I found this survey very reassuring and it fits quite well with my own views.

TheKeatingFive · 16/06/2022 09:58

I don't think there's anything surprising in that, it's exactly what plenty of people on here have been saying for years (despite this apparently being a hot bed of transphobia).

However, I note that there is no reference to more sensitive sex specific spaces that women's refuges and rape counselling/crisis centres. That's a key issue for me.

Hoppinggreen · 16/06/2022 09:57

That’s nice
Nuanced is the best way to go, as is reasoned debate. Unfortunately some people seem to think you have to hold an absolute position
I also hope that the people questioned had all the relevant facts and properly understood the question. For example did the ones who believed Transwomen should be allowed in women only spaces understand that this meant people who were the same physically as they were before transition? Would the question have been more valid if physical characteristics had been referenced?

pointythings · 16/06/2022 09:52

That's very comforting, thank you for posting. The debate online is so toxic that it's good to hear real people think in a more nuanced way.

JaneJeffer · 16/06/2022 09:43

What's your AIBU?