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Emily Bazelon NYT article

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mirax · 16/06/2022 09:20

This article came out yesterday and it is creeping slowly into GC sanity. Seems that the writer is facing an onslaught on Twitter. The top readers' comments are very clearly GC too.

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Hagiography · 16/06/2022 11:21

The 'm' word often attracts deletions.

mirax · 16/06/2022 11:09

No, I basically expressed what I wrote but I did use the word 'mu+ilate' in relation to the young people.

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picklemewalnuts · 16/06/2022 11:04

Did you use the word cunt (which is allowed), but substituting the n for an l? 'Cos that's not allowed. You're only allowed to say 'cunt', not 'cu*t'.

mirax · 16/06/2022 10:57

Dont even know what rules I broke above. I basically wrote that I was glad to see some sanity emerge in the US and it saved many thousands of young people from irreversible harm. Is that ok moderator?

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timeisnotaline · 16/06/2022 10:22

This is fabulous. Well done her.

mirax · 16/06/2022 09:44

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aseriesofstillimages · 16/06/2022 09:39

That’s a really interesting and balanced article, thank you for sharing it

mirax · 16/06/2022 09:22

Top NYT pick :

Full disclosure: I am a transgender woman who works in healthcare and
transitioned as a young adult. I have been following “the battle of
gender therapy” for youth/adolescents for many years now. I know
virtually every one of the organizations and/or individuals in this
article and have been in communication with at least several of them
over the years.

First, I want to point out this is the best and most nuanced article I
have ever read on this incredibly complex and hot-button topic. All of
the usual suspects from both sides of the “debate” appear to be
mentioned, which is great for achieving balance.

From my own perspective as I have watched this all play out over the
years, it is clear to me that we need to achieve a nuanced evidence
based middle ground between the extremes of “ban gender care for
everyone under 25” to “immediate gender affirmation and fast track to
medicalization of young people.” My inclination is that more robust
evidence is needed at this time, and in the interim we should proceed
conservatively out an abundance of caution for these still developing
youth. To me, that looks like: no surgery under the age of 18,
extensive/prolonged mental health evalualations before interventions,
and puberty blockers should be used in only severe cases in folks with
prolonged history of gender dysphoria.

Transition should be seen as a last resort to alleviate gender
dysphoria. For all others, extreme caution should be taken before
embarking on this path.

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mirax · 16/06/2022 09:21

Top voted reader's comment :
I attended an art exposition at the high school my kids attend, and I
was struck by the number of girls in that department (it is
overwhelmingly female) who have adopted gender neutral pseudonyms—kids
whose last names I recognize from their elementary-school days. Then
there are the friends and acquaintances of my kids, all female, who’ve
adopted male names and pronouns (or who’ve vacillated between he/him and
they/them or the head-scratching he/them). Something is going on with
teenage girls, and it’s not because so many of them were closeted
transgender.

I very rarely agree with conservatives, but in this area, I do. My 16
year old cannot have spinal surgery to correct a severe curvature —
altering her body for pain relief — without my consent, and yet trans
activists are agitating for adolescents to be allowed to permanently
alter their bodies and adopt a lifelong, medicalized existence. 18 is
even too young to be permitted to take cross-sex hormones when the brain
doesn’t fully develop until 25.

I was once quite sympathetic to the trans community. I don’t really care
how anyone dresses or what name they call themselves. But the inability
of many trans activists to have reasoned discussion about legitimate
issues, their campaigns of rage against anyone brings up such concerns,
and their irrational rejection of the reality of biological sex has lost
them many allies, including this one.

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