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Say sorry - don't get charged for rape.....

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Greydog · 15/06/2022 16:49

I've just come across this - I've not seen it mentioned before, and if it has been I apologise...........but I'm just stunned - www.itv.com/news/calendar/2022-06-08/police-force-defends-use-of-apologies-to-deal-with-sex-offenders

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RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 15/06/2022 18:56

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DontBuyANewMumCashmere · 15/06/2022 18:14

MumbleAlwaysMumble · 15/06/2022 17:32

stupid teen not realising that non consensual sexting/sharing of images could result in being placed on VISOR...

so….. it’s ok to protect someone who is sharing NON consensual images because ‘it’s a stupid teen’.
Any idea of the impact on the VICTIM who has had their image shared (which means no idea of where they have then been shared in the internet, if they resurface etc….)???

Sorry but the fact images shouldn’t be shared like this is is something that teenagers are told again and again through school. They have no reason to think it’s an ok thing to do.

I think the whole point of this article is that the course of action taken is based on the wishes of the victim!!

If a woman is raped, says she wants to prosecute and police just say No, we'll make him say sorry, then yes, obviously this is appalling.

If a 12 yr old boy sends a girl a picture after she tells/asks him to, then her parents go to the police, then I'm sure the police will ask what the girl and her parents want to happen and if it's decided that a community resolution would be most appropriate then yes, actually I'm OK with that.

There are lots of 'sexual offences' - it's not always rape.

LovelyYellowLabrador · 15/06/2022 17:54

What the hell
disgusting the police should be charged for this !!!

MumbleAlwaysMumble · 15/06/2022 17:52

Felix125 · 15/06/2022 17:42

So, if person A shares an indecent image with person B and they are both under the age of 13 - then person A should be prosecuted and placed on the sex offenders register?

That sort if decision should b taken by a judge and include, potentially , referral to appropriate HCP etc….
The role of the police is to investigate, not judge whether something is serious, how it should be treated etc….

I think separating the two is essential in a working democracy.

Btw, my point was that the victim might well feel they have been fobbed off rather than their concern amen seriously. Seeing the extremely low rate of prosecution etc… for sexual assault, rape etc… including sharing indecent images, that’s an issue.
Also an issue if the sharing has been done out of spite or revenge.

I mean if a 13 yo was physically assaulting someone in the street, it would go to tribunal. So why the reluctance when is about sexual ‘misconduct’? Why is it that we then assume they didn’t know, they couldn’t have realise how serious it was etc…? Because if they do indeed not realise, then we have failed at parenting those teens (as a society)

Felix125 · 15/06/2022 17:42

MumbleAlwaysMumble · 15/06/2022 17:32

stupid teen not realising that non consensual sexting/sharing of images could result in being placed on VISOR...

so….. it’s ok to protect someone who is sharing NON consensual images because ‘it’s a stupid teen’.
Any idea of the impact on the VICTIM who has had their image shared (which means no idea of where they have then been shared in the internet, if they resurface etc….)???

Sorry but the fact images shouldn’t be shared like this is is something that teenagers are told again and again through school. They have no reason to think it’s an ok thing to do.

So, if person A shares an indecent image with person B and they are both under the age of 13 - then person A should be prosecuted and placed on the sex offenders register?

Greydog · 15/06/2022 17:38

here's a bit more info - www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/victims-furious-police-forces-870-26727737

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MumbleAlwaysMumble · 15/06/2022 17:33

Devotedcatslave · 15/06/2022 17:19

It says in the article that this was not in relation to rapists so your thread title is misleading. If they were getting rapists to say sorry then letting them off that would be appalling but they aren't!

Actually the article says the SY police says it didn’t use it for rape. But that it has in the middle of the 870 cases of sex offenses deal with this way across the county.

RedDiamond · 15/06/2022 17:33

What @DontBuyANewMumCashmere said. I also read the article properly.

MumbleAlwaysMumble · 15/06/2022 17:32

stupid teen not realising that non consensual sexting/sharing of images could result in being placed on VISOR...

so….. it’s ok to protect someone who is sharing NON consensual images because ‘it’s a stupid teen’.
Any idea of the impact on the VICTIM who has had their image shared (which means no idea of where they have then been shared in the internet, if they resurface etc….)???

Sorry but the fact images shouldn’t be shared like this is is something that teenagers are told again and again through school. They have no reason to think it’s an ok thing to do.

Devotedcatslave · 15/06/2022 17:19

It says in the article that this was not in relation to rapists so your thread title is misleading. If they were getting rapists to say sorry then letting them off that would be appalling but they aren't!

DontBuyANewMumCashmere · 15/06/2022 17:19

The linked article said none of the 78 times SYP used this method was for rape.

There are numerous examples of scenarios this could be a good police outcome, including underage consensual sex where one parent finds out and complains to the police; teen public sexual activity; teens consensually sexting; stupid teen not realising that non consensual sexting/sharing of images could result in being placed on VISOR...

I doubt a serious offence would be dealt with by this method.
But whilst I won't deny it could be misused, I'd ask that we consider there are good reasons to use this.

achillestoes · 15/06/2022 17:09

‘i think its too lenient in that I would want the accused to be on some sort of register at least...’

If you rape a person you need to go to prison. It’s a profoundly violent crime.

mrshoho · 15/06/2022 17:09

Sickening isn't it. We send 1000s to prison for non payment of council tax and/or tv licence. Good to see the values and priorities of dear old England. We don't seem to have progressed much from Dickensian times in many respects.

BokoGoblin · 15/06/2022 17:08

'promise not to reoffend'

Is that serious?

It's like a parent reprimanding a toddler!

Not the police dealing with a rapist!

I feel sick

ControversialOpening · 15/06/2022 17:05

South Yorkshire - what a surprise!

Men: do what you like to women and children, just make sure you don't 'misgender' them while you're doing it. If you do we'll have to bring the full weight of the law upon you.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 15/06/2022 17:05

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achillestoes · 15/06/2022 17:05

Grotesque. I saw a Twitter thread about ‘radical feminists’ and our ‘rape rhetoric’ today, and apparently we all need to stop endangering transwomen and people of colour by making reference to the fact that some men rape women. The new misogyny looks very like the old misogyny.

Hoardasurass · 15/06/2022 17:01

That's disgusting and outrageous