Page 2 | Naomi Cunningham's speech to the Scottish Parliament

Pluvia · 2022-06-15T06:56:42+00:00

Came across this here. https://twitter.com/cwknews/status/1536766708526071813 Spot the elephants in the room. (Clue: they're behind you)

Datun · 15/06/2022 10:45

Pluvia · 15/06/2022 10:03

Yes, motivation is everything — and there are still a lot of people who don't understand that for many cross-dressers there's an erotic charge. Greyson Perry has talked about it.

Grayson Perry talks about it at length. Right down to the reason he wears voluminous skirts - to hide his erection.

Yet people have some kind of perception filter around him, thinking he's harmless. He might be physically harmless, but he's getting off by publicly walking amongst the population, including children. They are unwittingly participating in his fetish.

Datun · 15/06/2022 10:35

Crikey, the smirking going on behind her! The one on the far right instantly starts to grin when she says erotic cross dresser. And it looks involuntary.

That's an extraordinary clip. It couldn't have been more revealing if she'd planned it.

Ugh. How have we got to this.

At least there's a chink of light shining on it.

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Pluvia · 15/06/2022 10:18

I think I recognised the red-haired one. Can't remember the name and context, but seemed familiar.

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KittenKong · 15/06/2022 10:07

The two grinning persons behind her looked like they were bored teens sitting in a school assembly on recycling toothbrushes. Are we to believe that they are persons with roles of influence?

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Pluvia · 15/06/2022 10:03

Yes, motivation is everything — and there are still a lot of people who don't understand that for many cross-dressers there's an erotic charge. Greyson Perry has talked about it.

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TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 15/06/2022 09:26

I hope some of the women in Parliament took note. I found it quite visceral. The whole time she was talking I was thinking "would I feel comfortable undressing with those people in the same changing room as me?"

And obviously I wouldn't. Not because I know anything specific to their detriment, but because they are large strong males who (hypothetically, but also presumably, since they're in the Scottish Parliament arguing the TRA case) want to undress in women's changing rooms. Their presence made the discussion much less abstract.

WinterDeWinter · 15/06/2022 09:08

Pluvia · 15/06/2022 08:54

It certainly did. And I'd like to thank the people behind her for illustrating the issue so beautifully.

I think it says a lot that everyone spotted them immediately. And yet no one mistook short-haired, make-up free, jewellery-free Ms Cunningham in her sober black jacket and white shirt, for a man. Such a clear way of illustrating why we can't not see what we see.

You're so right - it was the perfect visual.

ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 15/06/2022 09:01

Thanks, Naomi and all women who are steadily getting the message out there. This is nothing to do with gay rights. It’s male sex fetishism mixed with plain old misogyny.

Mochudubh · 15/06/2022 08:58

Pluvia · 15/06/2022 08:54

It certainly did. And I'd like to thank the people behind her for illustrating the issue so beautifully.

I think it says a lot that everyone spotted them immediately. And yet no one mistook short-haired, make-up free, jewellery-free Ms Cunningham in her sober black jacket and white shirt, for a man. Such a clear way of illustrating why we can't not see what we see.

Very good point.

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Pluvia · 15/06/2022 08:54

It certainly did. And I'd like to thank the people behind her for illustrating the issue so beautifully.

I think it says a lot that everyone spotted them immediately. And yet no one mistook short-haired, make-up free, jewellery-free Ms Cunningham in her sober black jacket and white shirt, for a man. Such a clear way of illustrating why we can't not see what we see.

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FOJN · 15/06/2022 08:46

Good to see Naomi of @SexMattersOrg getting it on record that some men cross-dress & want to be seen as women for erotic purposes & that women should not be co-opted into their fantasies.

A thousand thank you's Naomi Cunningham, this needed to be said.

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Pluvia · 15/06/2022 08:41

It did make me wonder whether now she's said it, and it's been reported and tweeted, we can use the phrase 'erotic cross-dressing'. I guess I'll find out, won't I?

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ChagSameachDoreen · 15/06/2022 08:37

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