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James Esses - Employment Tribunal starts Tues 14 June

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ifIwerenotanandroid · 13/06/2022 19:50

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James Esses - Employment Tribunal starts Tues 14 June
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Howappropriate · 04/07/2022 19:27

Lovelyricepudding · 16/06/2022 16:54

Anyone else looking forward to future discussions with RMW here on FWR? 😆

Me!

Howappropriate · 04/07/2022 19:25

Me!

Pomtiddly · 03/07/2022 12:42

Anybody know when we will find out about the outcome of this preliminary hearing/when the next stage will be? It seemed to finish up in the air..

Chrysanthemum5 · 17/06/2022 09:09

Ah so that's why RMW made the joke about not being needed at the next stage - hoping RNW's client will be removed from the case. And I guess that explains all the weird questions about whether James knew what a feduciary relationship was and the business with plumbers and Russian grain. Still makes no real sense but I guess I can see what the attempt was

chilling19 · 17/06/2022 04:17

User76745333 · 16/06/2022 21:34

just to check - is this like a grand jury in that a decision will be made if the case can go forward

I’ve not dialled in and so don’t know the details (although I am interested in the substantive hearing since I have a couple of cases on similar points) but it’s a preliminary hearing only. A prelim like this is held when there are points that need to be determined in advance of the hearing. For example, in disability discrimination claims we often have a hearing first to determine whether the claimants condition amounts to a disability. This is because there is no point in hearing lots of evidence about alleged discrimination if they don’t have a condition that qualifies as a disability in the first place. This hearing was I believe about which respondents are relevant respondents. One or more might be removed as parties (although this is quite unusual unless it is really clear that there is a good legal reason for doing so).

Thank you for this explanation

dworky · 16/06/2022 22:24

DeaconBoo · 16/06/2022 20:42

Can we not be dicks about anyone's appearance, please?

How is saying someone bears a resemblance to another person, being a dick?

User76745333 · 16/06/2022 22:19

That’s completely irrelevant to the example I gave. In a perceived discrimination case (and they are very uncommon) it would be pleaded as perceived discrimination and so there would be no need for a preliminary hearing to determine the issue of whether the claimants condition amounts to a disability

Lovelyricepudding · 16/06/2022 22:13

But you can suffer disability discrimination with no disability if you are perceived to have a disability (same with other protected characteristics)

User76745333 · 16/06/2022 21:34

just to check - is this like a grand jury in that a decision will be made if the case can go forward

I’ve not dialled in and so don’t know the details (although I am interested in the substantive hearing since I have a couple of cases on similar points) but it’s a preliminary hearing only. A prelim like this is held when there are points that need to be determined in advance of the hearing. For example, in disability discrimination claims we often have a hearing first to determine whether the claimants condition amounts to a disability. This is because there is no point in hearing lots of evidence about alleged discrimination if they don’t have a condition that qualifies as a disability in the first place. This hearing was I believe about which respondents are relevant respondents. One or more might be removed as parties (although this is quite unusual unless it is really clear that there is a good legal reason for doing so).

DeaconBoo · 16/06/2022 20:42

Can we not be dicks about anyone's appearance, please?

Tallisker · 16/06/2022 19:50

Oh I really wish I could see this, just to put faces and voices to names . Not just this one but all of them. Hearing people speak, seeing people move etc gives so much more weigh to their words on here and other platforms.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 16/06/2022 17:57

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Yeah, i see a resemblance there.

I reckon Naomi Harris as AR. I'm drawing a blank on EJB, though.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 16/06/2022 17:48

Chrysanthemum5 · 16/06/2022 16:17

That's true maybe RMW used us all as a practise ground 😂

And overlooking the role of the moderators? Or did RMW expect the EJ to comply with similar pliability and adopt a comparable function?

I confess myself baffled by the references to Russian plumbers and shippers. I thought MNers were being a little giddy and parodic but it seems as if there were genuinely part of the questioning. 😲

dworky · 16/06/2022 17:47

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Ameanstreakamilewide · 16/06/2022 17:39

Well, the sweetheart neckline does a lot of heavy lifting in that regard.

dworky · 16/06/2022 17:29

It has to be said, from the evidence of RMW's performance today, the 'Transcard' has been made heavy use of.

Chrysanthemum5 · 16/06/2022 17:23

NotMyFIrstTIme · 16/06/2022 17:19

Is RMW using their male voice in an attempt to impress the Judge?
She asked, innocently.

Not RMW uses their male voice because they found their female voice didn't carry across a courtroom.

NotMyFIrstTIme · 16/06/2022 17:19

Is RMW using their male voice in an attempt to impress the Judge?
She asked, innocently.

Chrysanthemum5 · 16/06/2022 17:18

I had to leave before the end of the thrilling diary discussion- is that it over for this week? Will they be back in July?

littlbrowndog · 16/06/2022 17:18

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🤣🤣🤣

DialSquare · 16/06/2022 17:13

Ameanstreakamilewide · 16/06/2022 17:11

Which mode would he be in??

Grin
Ameanstreakamilewide · 16/06/2022 17:11

Which mode would he be in??

Lovelyricepudding · 16/06/2022 17:09

Ameanstreakamilewide · 16/06/2022 16:56

So, who's playing who, in this film?

Eddie Izzard?

Chrysanthemum5 · 16/06/2022 17:02

It was so bad that I almost felt sorry for RMW with the little joke that fell flat

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