Page 2 | Debate on Parliament TV now on trans conversion therapy

chilling19 · 2022-06-13T15:34:08+00:00

On now. Already had hate from both sides comment.

achillestoes · 13/06/2022 18:44

Now Dodds says it wouldn’t restrict non-coercive services.

So again, what would it cover?

Nonsense on stilts.

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chilling19 · 13/06/2022 18:44

Other countries again.

Have the govt gathered any evidence

Of Chilling effects
That Trans inclusive ban puts therapy at risk

Minister needs to detail a timetable for decision

Interim - trans people want to leave their lives in dignity etc etc

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achillestoes · 13/06/2022 18:42

So a ban must not cover psychological services, discussion in families, discussions with religious leaders or worshippers or teachers.

Who the hell is covered?

SigourneyHoward · 13/06/2022 18:41

Its happening in Westminster Hall isn't it rather than main chamber - if so it doesn't have much parliamentary influence - opportunity for backbenchers to table a debate and have a minister respond but thats pretty much it

achillestoes · 13/06/2022 18:41

This is all so confusing. I still don’t know who the quacks are meant to be.

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chilling19 · 13/06/2022 18:39

Oh, mention of 50 years of Pride
History of struggle
Love and live
Back to the Safe to be me conference - withdrawal of organisations direct consequence of T being left out of the conversion therapy
Talking about sex attraction?
Why has the govt changed its mind when loads of other organisations supported trans being included?

(Yes, why? Perhaps because they were briefed on the backlash of cutting off bits of people's bodies based on no evidence?)

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achillestoes · 13/06/2022 18:37

Of course there’s nothing ‘wrong’ with adults identifying as trans and of course it would be wrong for an adult to be forced to undergo any form of therapy. This isn’t about adults. Nor is it about forced therapy for adults.

This is about twelve year olds who demand binders, cross-sex hormones and surgery. Nobody has acknowledged this yet. Why?

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chilling19 · 13/06/2022 18:34

Oswald - most vulnerable

Groundswell with those with religious faith against gap in ban

Immense harm

Other countries - all gone down this road, nothing terrible has happened (evidence?)

If we leave trans people out - allows it to come in via the back door, so everyone loses

Bit of sucking up to the minister

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achillestoes · 13/06/2022 18:33

So ‘terfs’ are in bed with Christian extremists (as we’re told all the time) but now Christians mostly support a ban on conversion practices?

Aye right.

achillestoes · 13/06/2022 18:29

Now it’s that we need to ban ‘conversion practices’ for our international standing.

AnotherDayAnotherView · 13/06/2022 18:29

If they are not ill and do not need to be cured then why do they need surgery and drugs?

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chilling19 · 13/06/2022 18:28

Oswald - 145k signed

No debate, political football

Terrible reality of coercive practice

Twice as likely for trans to be offered conversion therapy

Very vulnerable group

Most difficult

Someone else - international conference cancelled - highlights how far the UK has slipped

Oswald - Oops she mentioned LGB and forgot the T

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ResisterRex · 13/06/2022 18:28

This debate sounds even less logical than the NB one. I feel sorry for whoever has to transcribe it.

achillestoes · 13/06/2022 18:26

Now Kirsten Oswald is taking it a step further: it’s ‘practices or conducts’ aimed at changing a person’s gender identity (to her).

AnotherDayAnotherView · 13/06/2022 18:26

achillestoes · 13/06/2022 18:24

There are loads of Scottish speakers. I think most MPs are just ignoring it because the government has clearly already said they’re not doing it.

So basically this entire debate is a waste of time as the "T" will not be included. There needs to be a clear definition of what is meant by "quackery"!!

achillestoes · 13/06/2022 18:24

There are loads of Scottish speakers. I think most MPs are just ignoring it because the government has clearly already said they’re not doing it.

achillestoes · 13/06/2022 18:24

So the ban is only meant to cover under 18s, not only over 18s.

AnotherDayAnotherView · 13/06/2022 18:23

Is it just my imagination or are there a lot of Scots voices in this debate and there are very few people pushing back on this

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chilling19 · 13/06/2022 18:21

Not sure who is speaking now - sound in and out

145k people signed

Conflating of LGB with T again

REfugees, thatcher!

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AnotherDayAnotherView · 13/06/2022 18:21

achillestoes · 13/06/2022 18:20

It’s true that Christians are expected to display compassion. Compassion isn’t agreement, though. Nobody is doing anything wrong (if they are compassionate) by disagreeing that people can change sex.

Christians are also expected to be truthful, so saying someone is something they are not is against Christian tenet

AnotherDayAnotherView · 13/06/2022 18:20

chilling19 · 13/06/2022 18:13

Conversion therapy = one intended outcome .

Err, is that not the affirmation model?

Indeed!

achillestoes · 13/06/2022 18:20

It’s true that Christians are expected to display compassion. Compassion isn’t agreement, though. Nobody is doing anything wrong (if they are compassionate) by disagreeing that people can change sex.

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chilling19 · 13/06/2022 18:18

Linden - Christian faith - bit of a ramble.

Most marginalised etc

Most conversion therapy takes place in religious settings.

This is being used as a wedge issue.

Genitalia, toilets

Worse MH issues, suicide

Bible - faith, love etc

Compassion

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achillestoes · 13/06/2022 18:18

There are some real mediocrities elected to Parliament, aren’t there?

zoomstyle · 13/06/2022 18:17

What is he saying about parallels between detransition and cancer - or something? I've just turned it back on and I'm totally lost!