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Drag Queen Story Time

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LizzyStrata · 13/06/2022 10:33

First time posting here, so not sure of the etiquette. My apologies if this is the wrong place to raise these concerns.

Reading Borough Council is planning to hold Drag Queen Story Hour events in our libraries during the summer holidays. I’ve written to my MP, my councillors, and the Head of the Library Service to raise concerns. I think drag is entirely inappropriate for children, as it is a form of adult entertainment, highly sexualised and misogynistic, that blurs boundaries and undermines safeguarding.

The response Ive had is simply that they have received very few complaints so no reason to cancel.

Has anyone had any experience of tackling their local library over this issue? Grateful for any tips.

Also, if you live in Berkshire ,would you be willing to write and share your concerns?

thanks!

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Hearach15 · 25/07/2022 20:41

ScrollingLeaves · 25/07/2022 19:02

845672AKD · Today 18:50
I've posted a message about this to a neighbourhood website and it's been hidden (subject to review) as, according to the website, it's discriminatory, goes against their guidelines. One comment I heard was that Mumsnet is 'notoriously anti-trans' and all this is stemming from ultra-right wing and US-based origins.

What has U.S. based origins is Trans ideology and the terminology to go with it, and Drag Queen Story Time.

It is also a great capitalist enterprise.
thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/rich-white-men-institutionalizing-transgender-ideology/

"One comment I heard was that Mumsnet is 'notoriously anti-trans' and all this is stemming from ultra-right wing and US-based origins."

And as if to prove the point you post a link to a "trAnS pEoplE aRe baD" story by a US republican.

Gloriayourealwaysontherunnow · 25/07/2022 20:40

MrsJamin · 25/07/2022 20:15

I really really really hate the fact that the people protesting at the library seem like right wing nut jobs. It really does need protesting but they are so extreme, no one will ever really listen. Plus you can't call someone you don't know a sex worker.

I don't see them as 'right wing nut jobs', they're just sensible men who are rightfully interested in protecting children.

These are the type of good men we've been asking to step up and help us fight this war.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 25/07/2022 20:26

845672AKD · 25/07/2022 18:50

I've posted a message about this to a neighbourhood website and it's been hidden (subject to review) as, according to the website, it's discriminatory, goes against their guidelines. One comment I heard was that Mumsnet is 'notoriously anti-trans' and all this is stemming from ultra-right wing and US-based origins.

Are you not troubled by their ignorance? And more so the people who are prepared to accept hearsay rather than assess matters for themselves?

In a recent interview, Genevieve Gluck observed that women and lesbians have been successful in closing down safeguarding threats to children in the 1970s—90s. Gluck thinks that this time around there has been a cultivated strategy to denigrate women (mostly mothers) and lesbians as TERFs and on political fringes in order to undermine safeguarding concerns.

If people are prepared to go by hearsay without checking how the person that they trust arrived by that opinion, well, I'd say that the strategy that Gluck outlines has been very successful and we may well find out what the consequences of that are for safeguarding.

MrsJamin · 25/07/2022 20:15

I really really really hate the fact that the people protesting at the library seem like right wing nut jobs. It really does need protesting but they are so extreme, no one will ever really listen. Plus you can't call someone you don't know a sex worker.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 25/07/2022 20:06

spinspinspinspin · 25/07/2022 20:02

Who said the existence of Lesbian, Gay, Bu-sexual and Transgender (which kind of transgender) people are a child safety concern?

Posie Parker in that video the police visited her about yesterday apparently.

Did she? Do you know what whoever claims that gives as the timestamp for that in the video, please?

spinspinspinspin · 25/07/2022 20:02

Who said the existence of Lesbian, Gay, Bu-sexual and Transgender (which kind of transgender) people are a child safety concern?

Posie Parker in that video the police visited her about yesterday apparently.

ScrollingLeaves · 25/07/2022 19:53

Hearach15
Sorry you feel the existence of LGBT people is a child safety concern, you should meet more of us.

Who said the existence of Lesbian, Gay, Bu-sexual and Transgender (which kind of transgender) people are a child safety concern?

Please would you quote that thread?

People here are talking about transvestite males pushing their agendas onto children. They are not talking about transvestite males getting on with their own existences.

RoseslnTheHospital · 25/07/2022 19:32

The idea of "market forces" applying to decisions made by library managers is particularly incorrect.

MrsJamin · 25/07/2022 19:28

We'll be told "calm down dear" soon.
Market forces... As if we as mostly mothers care about that as a reason for things being. We want to protect children from harmful stereotypes and personal and sexual boundaries being weakened so that children are open to grooming.

MaudeYoung · 25/07/2022 19:23

Hearach15 · 25/07/2022 18:50

Panto and drag are the sister acts. Both involve men dressing up in wigs and makeup.

Generations of British school children have survived unharmed such spectacles of shocking gender discombobulation.

The difference between panto and so-called 'drag' is that 'drag' is a highly sexualised activity. It is this that makes it unsuitable for children.

In panto, the dames do not exhibit sexualised behaviour or costumes.

Panto dames also have roots in Elizabethan theatre where the actors were always men and acted out the female roles.

If you are suggesting that so-called 'drag' is an appropriation of panto I would disagree because panto is nothing to do with sexual behaviours. Drag stands alone as something some gay men who hate women have created.

PearlClench · 25/07/2022 19:13

'frothing at the mouth'.

I find that astonishing, really. That someone comes on here and to women who are discussing how they feel about drag queens dressing as exaggerated parodies of women, says we are 'frothing at the mouth'.

What next? Are we 'shrill'? Are we 'spewing' words? Are we 'hysterical'?

It's the ad homs that really show you up, you know.

mrshoho · 25/07/2022 19:08

Hearach15 · 25/07/2022 18:48

People like them. It's called "market forces", things exist because there is a demand for them.

Some people would disagree. Recent times have seen drag appearing more and more on mainstream TV eg acts on Britain's got talent. It was seen as right on and progressive. To me it was just a shoe in for 3rd rate acts with limited talent. Take off the wig, heels and frock and there's nothing special at all. Same with drag comedians, in my opinion talentless. The novelty is wearing thin now.

RoseslnTheHospital · 25/07/2022 19:08

Do you feel like apologising for your nasty insinuations in relation to my previous post, Hearach? Just wondering if you are prepared to acknowledge your hate.

ScrollingLeaves · 25/07/2022 19:02

845672AKD · Today 18:50
I've posted a message about this to a neighbourhood website and it's been hidden (subject to review) as, according to the website, it's discriminatory, goes against their guidelines. One comment I heard was that Mumsnet is 'notoriously anti-trans' and all this is stemming from ultra-right wing and US-based origins.

What has U.S. based origins is Trans ideology and the terminology to go with it, and Drag Queen Story Time.

It is also a great capitalist enterprise.
thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/rich-white-men-institutionalizing-transgender-ideology/

PearlClench · 25/07/2022 19:00

'frothing at the mouth'

Nice.

Gloriayourealwaysontherunnow · 25/07/2022 19:00

Hearach15 · 25/07/2022 18:52

I mean, it is, post anything about trans people and posters start frothing at the mouth:

www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/02/feminism-has-been-reduced-to-the-transgender-debate

Pointless posting that article, most of us aren't feminists 🤷‍♀️

Hearach15 · 25/07/2022 18:52

845672AKD · 25/07/2022 18:50

I've posted a message about this to a neighbourhood website and it's been hidden (subject to review) as, according to the website, it's discriminatory, goes against their guidelines. One comment I heard was that Mumsnet is 'notoriously anti-trans' and all this is stemming from ultra-right wing and US-based origins.

I mean, it is, post anything about trans people and posters start frothing at the mouth:

www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/02/feminism-has-been-reduced-to-the-transgender-debate

Hearach15 · 25/07/2022 18:50

845672AKD · 25/07/2022 18:45

To perpetuate 'inclusivity' and 'acceptance' to impressionable primary school children. Panto is one thing; adult dressing-up in a library in front of these children is another.

Panto and drag are the sister acts. Both involve men dressing up in wigs and makeup.

Generations of British school children have survived unharmed such spectacles of shocking gender discombobulation.

845672AKD · 25/07/2022 18:50

I've posted a message about this to a neighbourhood website and it's been hidden (subject to review) as, according to the website, it's discriminatory, goes against their guidelines. One comment I heard was that Mumsnet is 'notoriously anti-trans' and all this is stemming from ultra-right wing and US-based origins.

Hearach15 · 25/07/2022 18:48

KittenKong · 25/07/2022 17:53

What is the point of them? Why are they so much ‘flavour of the month’ with small children in mind?

People like them. It's called "market forces", things exist because there is a demand for them.

Hearach15 · 25/07/2022 18:47

Gloriayourealwaysontherunnow · 25/07/2022 18:40

I'm another that thinks we should get them out of panto whilst we're at it.

Wither freedom.

Thank God we live in a free society where you're not in charge.

Hearach15 · 25/07/2022 18:45

RoseslnTheHospital · 25/07/2022 17:59

Hearach, you're tilting at windmills...

Drag is an adult entertainment, featuring hyper-sexualised grossly exaggerated aping of women. It perpetuates sex based stereotypes and is nearly always misogynist. They are nothing to do with real world lesbian, gay or bisexual people. I know, because I am in one of those categories. Drag is inappropriate for children. Some of the past behaviour of performers at these "story times" has been inappropriate for children. Hence a safeguarding concern.

Men in dresses and wigs /= drag artist.
Panto dames /= drag acts
It is stupid of you to assume that all posters you disagree with are heterosexual and homophobic. Obvs.

Drag can be adult entertainment. It can also not be adult entertainment.

As I said in a previous post, I went to a bingo night where a drag queen called out bingo numbers - was that a sexual event? Not at all.

There was a woman there whose grandchild was sat in a corner doing some colouring. I can assure you the child emerged unharmed from the event.

845672AKD · 25/07/2022 18:45

To perpetuate 'inclusivity' and 'acceptance' to impressionable primary school children. Panto is one thing; adult dressing-up in a library in front of these children is another.

Gloriayourealwaysontherunnow · 25/07/2022 18:40

I'm another that thinks we should get them out of panto whilst we're at it.

845672AKD · 25/07/2022 18:38

Panto is one thing ..