Drag Queen Story Time

Fuether to my earlier question, is there an account from anyone who has already been to one of these events anywhere?

And how is Drag promoting acceptance of gay men if that is it's aim under the Diversity banner? Are the children informed that the Drag Queen is gay? Is this an essential part of the event? If not, why not if that is what it is aiming for?

What, in particular, makes Drag Queens uniquely qualified to read stories to children? If we are talking Diversity and acceptance here are disabled people, people of faith, BAME people, lacking in the qualities required to read to children in the name of Diversity and acceptance?

There are some wonderful pictures available on the internet of one of these Story Time Drag Queens showing a very unfortunate aspect of their appendage in their costume in a room full of children, but that's nothing to worry about is it it - all lovely and progressive.

I really object to how local council money has been spent on this. Why couldn't they have got an author who goes against stereotypes to tour the libraries? It's such woke virtue signalling by the Labour run council.

Hearch15
The umbrella term you so object to is widely understood and used by lesbians, gays, bisexuals and trans people.

T needs the umbrella to gain the widespread acceptance of LGB.

The LGB alliance was set up to separate its interests.

Never heard of a straight drag queen myself (I'm sure one or two must exist out there though). If they were straight though I have no doubt less people would object.

You may be right that Drag Queens are mostly gay, but cross dressing men and transwomen are not necessarily so at all.

You have not answered my question about who on this thread has said the existence of LGBT people is a child safety concern?

So curious that you're advocating keeping a group of mostly gay men away from children.

Drag Queens are mostly gay are they, so by your reckoning some of them are not therefore advocating keeping them all away from children is not specifically targeting gay men is it?

"it's nothing more than a bloke in a wig and makeup reading a kids a story"

So, why can't they appear as themselves, as men without the wig and make up and sexualised costume and behaviour?

Most gay men do not get involved in so-called 'drag'.

It is the sexualised behaviour of those men who do, and want to do that for young children to watch that is rejected.

Yes and some children will enjoy drag queen story time and their parents certainly enjoy taking them - or else they would stop taking them. Keep up.

More like opportunists worming their way into child friendly free spaces. Hard up parents view the library as a safe space to bring young children. The library lures parents and many may just stumble into drag queen story time under a false sense of thinking it must be suitable for children. AWFUL.

"Sadly some parents think that public libraries must have children’s best interests at heart. They will take their cue from them."

I suspect these parents are a lot smarter than you all give them credit - if these drag queen story times were sexualised events they would not take their kids to them.

As it is it's nothing more than a bloke in a wig and makeup reading a kids a story

Somehow, I think those opposed to children being exposed to such sexualised behaviour, that is those of us who place child safeguarding at the heart of what we do here, will win the day. We have managed before without so-called "Drag Queen Story Time", we will manage to get by without it and children will be better protected from being exposed to such behaviours at such an early age.

Tilting at fucking massive windmills now. Windmills in fields full of straw men.

"A lot of men are a threat to children no matter what they choose to wear, unfortunately they don't come with a handy label saying whether they are or not."

So curious that you're advocating keeping a group of mostly gay men away from children.

But then again, gay men have always been falsely stereotyped as predators throughout history so I'm not at all surprised - hence why "groomer" has caught on big time in transphobic and homophobic circles.

"I don't think that anyone is attempting to ban so-called 'drag'. What is happening is a demand that it be kept well away from children."

Yes and some children will enjoy drag queen story time and their parents certainly enjoy taking them - or else they would stop taking them. Keep up.

Hearach15 · Today 20:44

“RoseslnTheHospital · Today 19:32
The idea of "market forces" applying to decisions made by library managers is particularly incorrect.”

How long do you think they will keep booking these events if zero people turned up?

Sadly some parents think that public libraries must have children’s best interests at heart. They will take their cue from them.

Other parents might think it is progressive.

I wonder whether the libraries in question are also offering alternative story times? If they are, it would be interesting to know what the different take up for each kind is.

Market forces are driven by ad campaigns and many do harm. Lots of local councils are internally riven by Stonewall campaigns and that would include library staff.

A man wearing a skirt is not a threat to children. Have you ever been to Scotland?

It's not a fucking skirt it is a Kilt.

A lot of men are a threat to children no matter what they choose to wear, unfortunately they don't come with a handy label saying whether they are or not.

Drag is adult entertainment, it is an extreme mocking parody of women it is not suitable for children at all. What 'diversity' is drag promoting exactly? How to mock and denigrate women perchance?

A recent drag act has been permanently banned from the National Theatre for a comment they made regarding teaching children to 'open their legs'. No group is above scrutiny or criticism.

I don't think that anyone is attempting to ban so-called 'drag'. What is happening is a demand that it be kept well away from children.

Unfortunately, 'Drag Race' on TV seems to have served unwittingly to groom some adults to believe that 'drag' is fine, because the TV performances were not as sexualised. Hence they think it is relatively safe to take their kids, until they get there and discover how sexualised it can be.

All this 'drag' stuff seems to have sprung up from the exposure of 'drag' on TV and some men have spotted an opportunity.

One also has to ask the question why do these men want to be close to children all of a sudden? In the past, men have never run a tour of Story Time in libraries across the country except, perhaps, a favourite author of children's books reading bits of his own stories.

They called Aida H Dee a sex worker, they haven't stuck to the facts and gone to such extremes that local people think DQST should go ahead and shouldn't bow to nazis. This polarisation isn't helping the vast majority of people. You end up thinking, whose side seems worst to appear on.

"There is no such thing as ‘an’ LGBT person - all rolled into one. This umbrella term is a tiresome and meaningless conflation."

The umbrella term you so object to is widely understood and used by lesbians, gays, bisexuals and trans people.

"This thread is about transvestites (one subgroup of the trans classification) being brought along to ‘entertain’ children."

Never heard of a straight drag queen myself (I'm sure one or two must exist out there though). If they were straight though I have no doubt less people would object.

And I think library managers will book according to their current requirements as passed down by policy setters. Policy setters will be influenced by all sorts of things that aren't "market forces".

I think that there is unlikely to be any formal way of properly assessing how many people attend a free event that doesn't require booking.

Why do you stupidly persist with calling drag acts "men in skirts" when no one else is doing so? Drag queen /= "man in skirt". You are the only one who is saying this.

"I really really really hate the fact that the people protesting at the library seem like right wing nut jobs."

This is because they are right wing nut jobs.

A man wearing a skirt is not a threat to children. Have you ever been to Scotland?

Personally I am not interested in drag at all. I am more concerned by the principle that in a free society people would seek to ban something than others derive enjoyment from.

How long do you think they will keep booking these events if zero people turned up?

I asked Hearach15 for the quote [from this thread] saying the existence of lesbian, gay, bi-sexual or trans people was a child safety concern. Because I had not seen anyone talking about the ‘existence’ per se of any people coming under these classifications being a child safety concern.

Hearch’s remark was simply a moral blackmail shut-down technique.

What has Posie Parker to do with my question?

Hearach15· Today 17:50”

^RoseslnTheHospital · Today 14:43
In our "free" society people are also free to make complaints as to how public money is being spent, in a variety of ways, and to point out any child safety concerns they may have regardless of whether third parties like you Hearach think.^

A man in a dress and wig is not a child safety concern. Generations of British kids have been to panto plays and been fine.

Sorry you feel the existence of LGBT people is a child safety concern, you should meet more of us

There is no such thing as ‘an’ LGBT person - all rolled into one. This umbrella term is a tiresome and meaningless conflation.

This thread is about transvestites (one subgroup of the trans classification) being brought along to ‘entertain’ children.