Drag Queen Story Time

So you have none then?

ok. Noted.

I don't have to explain anything actually, there is no point, whatever benefits I could say and have seen others attempt to make just get shut down and like I said go back to your view that it's adult entertainment that mocks women. That's not my view and nor will that change, much like your views. And to suggest that I find a benefit that can't be criticised by anyone is laughable. Whatever anyone does, especially in the public eye is up for criticism. But my general point is that you could all just not go and go to activities with your children that you do approve of. The parents and children that did go clearly enjoyed it and could see the benefits of it taking place. This thread is entirely about trying to stop it and often supports the extreme behaviours of protesters that actually did scare children and brought up topics such as pedophilia in front of the children you are claiming to protect. Anyway, this is my last post on the matter.

So why are the benefits then? No one had actually outlined any beyond the buzzwords ‘inclusion and diversity’.

As long as you see drag the way that you do then there is no way I can explain any benefit because it just comes back to 'its a gross parody of women' that's why we're going in circles: we disagree about what we see drag as.

But the other people posting here can explain “what they see drag as” and why it’s not good for children. You have been actively invited to make your case for what you think drag is and why it’s good for children to see it… and you can’t. Does that concern you at all, that you can’t argue your position? If it’s a rational position you should be able to make a rational case for it.

You see drag queen's as innocuous. Plenty of people understand drag queen's as representative of adult entertainment, which I'm sorry, it is. For example, Krystal Lubrikunt is performing at a theatre near me, try explaining that name to your child.

I have a friend that does drag too, who has a responsible job in the day. His drag act is honestly filthy, and that's absolutely fine with me. But if my child started googling him and other drag acts, they would soon find a lot of adult material.

Plenty of great children's entertainers out there who represent nothing more than children's entertainment. And don't have a side agenda of gender woo which some of these DQST like Aida do, as evidenced by their social media (despite clearly identifying as male).

But what is the benefit? Why is this a good thing for kids (so good it can’t be criticised?)

As long as you see drag the way that you do then there is no way I can explain any benefit because it just comes back to 'its a gross parody of women' that's why we're going in circles: we disagree about what we see drag as.

Why do drag queens (or any one else) have to be in costume/character to read a story? How does that enhance the child's appreciation of stories so they want to learn to read? Good story tellers don't need costumes.

This whole thread is a group of women forcing their opinion that drag is degrading to women, you may think this, plenty of women do not and that drag queen story hour is an opportunity to sexualise children, when this isn't the case.

I just don't understand what the point is of having a man dressed as a sexualised parody of a woman reading stories to young children.

Can you explain what is the benefit of these events for the children? Specifically why a sexualised parody of a woman benefits them in a way some more child oriented character doesn't?

The fact that so many women find this offensive and inappropriate should make you pause for thought, shouldn't it?

People here are acting like drag queens are coming up to you and your children and opening a book and demanding you all listen and enjoy it. Like I said, ticketed, at a library, in your town maybe once a year so far. Just don't go, I believe most were sold out anyways.

Because of who they are as people, they might be in character but that doesn't change who they are or the good things they do. I'm not saying that just because they do drag that they are good role models, I have highlighted what they do in their day to day lives and said that they also do drag. My son knows them in and out of drag, they do nothing inappropriate either way. They've done good things with their lives and make people happy in and out of drag. I feel that they are good role models, you clearly don't. This whole thread is a group of women forcing their opinion that drag is degrading to women, you may think this, plenty of women do not and that drag queen story hour is an opportunity to sexualise children, when this isn't the case. Aside from that if you don't like it, don't go. This tour was a ticketed event, this drag queen hadn't come into your children's schools without your permission and the libraries were full of parents and children wanting to be there and all of the terribly behaved protesters didn't change that. My only concern in taking a child to these events would be having to explain why grown adults were screaming about sex and pedophilia in a library. I feel this is much more inappropriate

I think they are great role models, they have responsible jobs, do a great deal of charity work also and support the LGBTQ+ community.

I can't imagine that a child would even notice such characteristics, let alone be impressed by them. It just proves that DQST is all about the drag queen and not what interests the child. Story time's purpose is to encourage children to like books, not to recognize people with responsible jobs. I think a drag queen is more likely to frighten a small child and thus put them off the LGB++++ community, even in the unlikely event they understood what such terms meant.

Even more children will find the library boring and/or frightening.

And no their names bear no resemblance to the ones you have chosen to highlight.

Thanks. So you do see why those ones are a problem?

Because when they are in drag they are performing not supporting/councelling young people. Some might say that they are being their drag character.

In what way are they role models if they are their drag character?

Because when they are in drag they are performing not supporting/councelling young people. Some might say that they are being their drag character. And no their names bear no resemblance to the ones you have chosen to highlight. But I sense that these questions are not asked out of genuine interest rather to push your own points of view. I suppose the difference is that if my son were to tell me he wanted to be a drag queen I would tell him 'that's great if that's what you want to do' because I don't see drag as offensive to women, it certainly doesn't offend me, so I don't worry about him wanting to be like a drag queen he sees doing a story time. From what I've read you wouldn't be happy about this.

Desmond is Amazing with Michael Alig, a convicted murderer. Drag is all about great role models.

My son has seen drag queens from an early age due to the fact that my two best friends do drag, they also have full time jobs where they support young people struggling with their mental health (obviously not in drag).

Why 'obviously not in drag'? You keep saying that drag is appropriate entertainment for children, so why wouldn't these people wear drag to their work supporting young people struggling with their mental health if drag is so wholesome?

According to you, a man dressed as a sexualised parody of a woman is a great role model. Surely this would help those young people with mental health problems in that case.

I take it they don't call themselves "Anna Bortion" or "Flow Job" or "Miss Carriage" while not "mocking women or whatever"?

I think they are great role models, they have responsible jobs, do a great deal of charity work also and support the LGBTQ+ community. But here those things are not seen as positive things at all, they actually seem to either be seen as negative or just because they also do drag makes people here question their motives. They also have a stable, loving relationship that unfortunately my son doesn't see in other places. I see no problem with my son, who is 9 wanting to be like them in any way, if he wants to dress up in drag then I let him. I don't see drag as mocking women or whatever but I see the opinion here is that you do think that. So I'll keep doing what I'm doing parenting wise and you keep doing what your doing. I just wish you would stop trying to ruin these things for others. Just don't take your children to drag queen story hour.

Why on earth is drag considered fun or appropriate for children? They’re not great role models at all. That sort of nonsense is similar to the stunning and brave stuff that’s trotted out and always about men.

How are they great role models exactly? In what way is this something a small kid can look at and think ‘wow, I can do that!’ more so than a firefighter or champion table tennis player?

Dress up like a Christmas tree, slap in a tonne of stage makeup? Miming to songs?

It’s adult entertainment - why is it being pushed so so very hard to get into schools and toddler groups? What does this actually teach little kids?

Why is dressing up as a sexualised parody of womanhood a great role model?

Because drag is not exclusively adult entertainment. There is little point in me trying to change your opinions on this because of course I would not take my son to something I believed was adult entertainment either. But drag story hour isn't this. My son has seen drag queens from an early age due to the fact that my two best friends do drag, they also have full time jobs where they support young people struggling with their mental health (obviously not in drag). They are both very responsible people, when my son has seen them perform in drag say at pride they adjusted their routine for example would lipsynke to songs with no swear words, wear different consumes and use different language. At a club or bar it is more adult and my son would not see them in those settings doing those routines. I see no harm in my son seeing our friends in drag when adjusted for the audience, my son also loves dressing up and putting on glitter etc and being like them. They are great role models. Drag is not only adult entertainment, if it was then no my son would not be seeing it.

Indeed. Would a sequined pole dancer with a big fake penis be just as acceptable, I wonder.

I thought it was supposed to be educational… incloosion and diversitee and all that jazz…