Drag Queen Story Time

Heh. I think the notion that he would be considered a suitable children’s entertainer would be news to Barry humphries.
what an absolute twit this person is

That still photo is from the drag queen reading at a primary school so yes to children not adults. Here is an article in the local news but for some reason I think we all know why they didnt use the photo full length

www.dunmowbroadcast.co.uk/news/education/dunmow-st-marys-drag-queen-story-hour-8674346

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"I feel like we're in a second section 28 at the moment...queer censorship within the media is still going on, plus now it's all microaggressions of homophobia and microaggresssions of transphobia. I'm sick and tired of feeling like a second class citizen." 1/3

The poor me-ism beggars belief. Phobia this and phobia that. If he is sick and tired of people being angry with him for using children in this way to form his career, he can stick to doing drag performances in front of people his own age. People are not going to be shamed into going away for fear of being called transphobic/homophobic this time.

@CrossPurposes exactly but of course people with dirty minds will see what they want to see.

I'm not convinced that some posters are seeing what they think they are seeing. It could be a trick of the light or a zipper of a garment under his dress.

Oh sorry, you only think a man in a dress is "highly sexualised" if he also puts on a wig and makeup. My mistake.

Are you suggesting that there is nothing sexual about a man in a skin tight costume with a visible erection?

The notion that this performance is inappropriate is ridiculous. Just as a comedian will tailor their act to different audiences, this performer would do so too.

Are you saying his erection was in order to tailor his act for children? Children's heads are clearly visible in that photo.

So why is a man dressed up in parody of womanhood a good thing for kids? What is it teaching them exactly?

‘Inclusion and diversity’ you say? oh yes for all the millions for drag acts they come across in daily life.

‘panto dames’ - oh yes exactly the same. Many a panto dames package and underwear I have seen as a child. Oh no I haven’t.

but do explain, I’m all ears.

"Do any of the drag queens hired to read stories to children look like Dame Edna? The only ones I've seen pictures of are highly sexualised parodies of women."

Er, how exactly do the drag queens look different to Dame Edna? They all drag queens....

"No, I don't think there's something automatically sexual about a man in a dress. Where did I say I did?" Oh sorry, you only think a man in a dress is "highly sexualised" if he also puts on a wig and makeup. My mistake.

@spirit20 agreed, those women completely upset all the kids with their behavior and their own child too by the looks of things.

I think those protesters should be ashamed of themselves. They have the nerve to claim they're trying to protect children, but it was their actions which would have traumatised the children, not the performer in question.

The notion that this performance is inappropriate is ridiculous. Just as a comedian will tailor their act to different audiences, this performer would do so too. Panto dames have been around for decades and no-one has called that sexualising or harmful to children. Whether you agree with it or not, if parents have decided it's appropriate for their children, you don't get to use your own beliefs as an excuse to scream words like those protesters were using in front of children. They should be locked up.

Do any of the drag queens hired to read stories to children look like Dame Edna? The only ones I've seen pictures of are highly sexualised parodies of women.

Am I a pearl-clutching prude or someone with a warped and dirty mind? Make your mind up.

And no, I don't think there's something automatically sexual about a man in a dress. Where did I say I did?

And anyway anyone can say "Men are not women". Matt Walsh does and he is certainly not gender critical. Now our message is out there, anyone could.pick it up.

I'll reserve judgement on the affiliations of the women protesters until I know more: I follow LOADS of GC people on twitter, and nobody has claimed responsibility. Nobody has come forward on here either, and we normally hace our finger on the pulse.

I will be extremely disappointed if these qomen are GC in the strict sense of the word, and would like to have a wee word with them about their tactics.

I was talking about Patriot Alternative or whatever they are called. It's right there in my post.

I don't think trans people would be very welcome in an evangelic christian or catholic setting! There were only 4 religious groups who supported the equal marriage act in the UK (which has support in the mainstream uk population)- The Movement for Reform Judaism, Liberal Judaism, Quakers and Unitarian universalists. Given that the trans debate is a step further (and i think still doesn't have mainstream support), I would hazard a guess that if you are a trans person in the Uk and looking for a religion, you should not try anything other than those 4 religious groups. Ditto for drag queens.

"Feminists have been warning for years that trying to 'queer' childhood would have this exact effect, though."

Not feminists; homophobes and transphobes have been opposing children being made aware that LGBT people exist.

The women protesting in the library were gender critical, you can quite clearly hear them saying "men cannot be women" etc.

Yep. Not a protest I support, not the right way of doing it at all.

Feminists have been warning for years that trying to 'queer' childhood would have this exact effect, though.

It's not feminists doing these protests.

There is such a thing as transphobia, of course, and homophobia is still a thing too. But trans activists have cried wolf, abused the systems and processes put in place to try and protect them, and spent too much energy trying to fight women, lesbians and feminists when the people who were always going to be the real danger are ... well, they're not discussing feminist theory on Mumsnet, put it that way.

Such nonsense. Dame Edna has been on daytime television for years. She even introduced the Queen at an event for her Jubilee:
Yes, drag acts have been entertaining for years, I used to love Widow Twanky as a kid at the pantomime

"Drag queens are highly sexualised and grotesque parodies of women, and a form of adult entertainment."

Such nonsense. Dame Edna has been on daytime television for years. She even introduced the Queen at an event for her Jubilee:

www.dailymotion.com/video/x2otx6e

You clearly have a warped and dirty mind if you think there is something automatically sexual about a man in a dress.

onthefencesitter · Today 12:06
Thank you very much. onthefence for such a full answer, which is much appreciated.

It would be interesting to know if a transwoman ( who has not had surgery) would be required to be circumcised, or if their new female gender means they would be exempt. Not that I am asking you to answer, or ask, as that would be a private, and a religious matter.

From what you say, many synagogues are very welcoming in general, and open to new converts to a greater degree than I had realised.

“One population that has increased the most is trans people,” said Yanklowitz, of Valley Beit Midrash, in Phoenix. “I don’t know if that’s because they think of me as an ally, so they reach out to me, or because trans awareness and public awareness has increased these past few years, or something about trans people who want to transition, they want to transition religions and genders.”

This seems a fascinating question. I wonder if this is also a phenomenon in the USA among born again Christians, or converts to Catholicism.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/26/protesters-storm-first-drag-queen-storytime-primary-school-children/

FWIW I think it was a very ill thought out protest. In terms of optics but also in other ways.

However I am in some ways not surprised it's come to this. These events are controversial and always have been, because anyone who knows anything about drag knows that it is fundamentally about sexuality. That's the point.

Any time you mix kids and sexuality, especially at a place like a library, you are going to make people very upset. Libraries are not meant to be places where the envelope gets pushed, that's just not their role.