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Drag Queen Story Time

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LizzyStrata · 13/06/2022 10:33

First time posting here, so not sure of the etiquette. My apologies if this is the wrong place to raise these concerns.

Reading Borough Council is planning to hold Drag Queen Story Hour events in our libraries during the summer holidays. I’ve written to my MP, my councillors, and the Head of the Library Service to raise concerns. I think drag is entirely inappropriate for children, as it is a form of adult entertainment, highly sexualised and misogynistic, that blurs boundaries and undermines safeguarding.

The response Ive had is simply that they have received very few complaints so no reason to cancel.

Has anyone had any experience of tackling their local library over this issue? Grateful for any tips.

Also, if you live in Berkshire ,would you be willing to write and share your concerns?

thanks!

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Lockheart · 27/07/2022 16:47

It's also dodgy on a whole different level, for much the same reason we would tend to look askance at a library with a black man story hour.

There are lots of story times with black authors and their works as the focus, especially during Black History Month.

MrsJamin · 27/07/2022 16:47

Why is Aida H Dee deemed a "children's author" when there's only one book on amazon with no pictures, no description and no reviews. It looks like a totally made up "book" that no one has ever really read. Anyone can self-publish. Why have publicly funded libraries given this person money for storytelling such rubbish books that don't even sell? It's such a poor use of a very very tiny budget.

Hearach15 · 27/07/2022 16:45

MangyInseam · 27/07/2022 16:41

You could suggest it if you think it's a great idea.

I would suggest that it isn't, for the same reason people reading children's stories at the library don't tell the kids they are straight.

It's not appropriate for adults to have that conversation in that kind of setting with kids. Both for safety reasons - we don't encourage kids to talk to adults they don't have a parental type relationship with to discuss sexual behaviour with children, and also because it's not really developmentally appropriate for story time aged kids.

None of that is controversial, and if you aren't aware it is no wonder you struggle to understand why people object to DQST.

It's also dodgy on a whole different level, for much the same reason we would tend to look askance at a library with a black man story hour.

Then there is the more general question of why libraries are putting so much energy and money into promoting identity politics at all, when we have a country full of kids with really very poor reading skills.

"we don't encourage kids to talk to adults they don't have a parental type relationship with to discuss sexual behaviour with children".

Nonsense, straight adults talk to children all the time about their girlfriends, boyfriends, "she's got married and now's she called Mrs X". It's only when LGBT people do the same people get cross about it.

onthefencesitter · 27/07/2022 16:43

IcakethereforeIam · 27/07/2022 16:40

Sounds nothing like DQSH.

So the objection is to the skin tight costumes? If he was wearing a poofy evening gown (the kind that covers everything) and reading a nice story like the three bear or little red riding hood, would that be fine?

MangyInseam · 27/07/2022 16:41

Hearach15 · 27/07/2022 15:57

Sounds like a great idea. You should suggest it to the local library. I would be very much in favour.

You could suggest it if you think it's a great idea.

I would suggest that it isn't, for the same reason people reading children's stories at the library don't tell the kids they are straight.

It's not appropriate for adults to have that conversation in that kind of setting with kids. Both for safety reasons - we don't encourage kids to talk to adults they don't have a parental type relationship with to discuss sexual behaviour with children, and also because it's not really developmentally appropriate for story time aged kids.

None of that is controversial, and if you aren't aware it is no wonder you struggle to understand why people object to DQST.

It's also dodgy on a whole different level, for much the same reason we would tend to look askance at a library with a black man story hour.

Then there is the more general question of why libraries are putting so much energy and money into promoting identity politics at all, when we have a country full of kids with really very poor reading skills.

IcakethereforeIam · 27/07/2022 16:40

Sounds nothing like DQSH.

Hearach15 · 27/07/2022 16:38

onthefencesitter · 27/07/2022 16:37

Out of curiosity, do any of you find Chinese opera offensive and misogynistic and inappropriate for young children? It does often involve cross dressing men wearing a lot of makeup! I must have been 3 years old when I watched Chinese opera for the first time with my kindergarden class (grew up in a chinese majority country and am also Chinese).

Sounds like panto.

onthefencesitter · 27/07/2022 16:37

Out of curiosity, do any of you find Chinese opera offensive and misogynistic and inappropriate for young children? It does often involve cross dressing men wearing a lot of makeup! I must have been 3 years old when I watched Chinese opera for the first time with my kindergarden class (grew up in a chinese majority country and am also Chinese).

IcakethereforeIam · 27/07/2022 16:30

That's your take, I don't agree with you. I can see that people may have a problem with DQSH but not have a problem with a lesbian or a gay firefighter doing story hour. In fact I'm fairly certain other posters have said as much on this very thread.

Lgbt culture is someof the people on this thread.

Hearach15 · 27/07/2022 16:19

IcakethereforeIam · 27/07/2022 16:11

Who brought up lgbt culture? I didn't mention it in my post. I said loose women isn't a children's TV program, it isn't. I said nothing about drag being inherently sexual. Try reading what people actually put. Then respond to that and not what you seem to think they said. Otherwise, you're the one that seems paranoid.

Drag Queens are part of LGBT culture and that is why people object to them being around kids.

IcakethereforeIam · 27/07/2022 16:11

Who brought up lgbt culture? I didn't mention it in my post. I said loose women isn't a children's TV program, it isn't. I said nothing about drag being inherently sexual. Try reading what people actually put. Then respond to that and not what you seem to think they said. Otherwise, you're the one that seems paranoid.

ScrollingLeaves · 27/07/2022 16:09

Hearach15 · Today 15:57

“MangyInseam · Today 15:56
Why do you think that libraries don't have, say, lesbian story hour, where someone who is a lesbian comes in, tells the kids they are a lesbian, and reads a story?”

Sounds like a great idea. You should suggest it to the local library. I would be very much in favour.

Would you be in favour, Hierarch15? Even though no one would know their sexual orientation?

Hearach15 · 27/07/2022 15:57

MangyInseam · 27/07/2022 15:56

Why do you think that libraries don't have, say, lesbian story hour, where someone who is a lesbian comes in, tells the kids they are a lesbian, and reads a story?

Sounds like a great idea. You should suggest it to the local library. I would be very much in favour.

Hearach15 · 27/07/2022 15:57

MangyInseam · 27/07/2022 15:53

Not at all, my point was that Dame Edna is not a drag queen and so comparing her to a drag queen is completely irrelevant. That act would be unsuitable for children as well, as it happens, for a different set of reasons.

"Dame Edna is not a drag queen"

So true and the Pope is a Protestant.

MangyInseam · 27/07/2022 15:56

Hearach15 · 27/07/2022 15:50

"It's okay for gay people to exist but please they mustn't tell the children they are gay." Very Section 28.

Why do you think that libraries don't have, say, lesbian story hour, where someone who is a lesbian comes in, tells the kids they are a lesbian, and reads a story?

Hearach15 · 27/07/2022 15:54

IcakethereforeIam · 27/07/2022 15:50

Loose women isn't a children's show. My kids never say it they were at school or watching kid's TV. He looks like Molly Sugden.

Loose Women is on the TV at the time when children might see it.

Dame Edna also introduced the Queen at a Jubilee event watched by millions of kids because there is nothing inherently sexual about drag.

It's all in your paranoid minds where everything even remotely associated with LGBT people and culture is a threat to children.

MangyInseam · 27/07/2022 15:53

Hearach15 · 27/07/2022 15:46

Your objection is that these drag queens are gay but drag queen Dame Edna is okay because she is played by a straight man?

Yes, hate to break it to you but that is homophobia.

Not at all, my point was that Dame Edna is not a drag queen and so comparing her to a drag queen is completely irrelevant. That act would be unsuitable for children as well, as it happens, for a different set of reasons.

IcakethereforeIam · 27/07/2022 15:50

Loose women isn't a children's show. My kids never say it they were at school or watching kid's TV. He looks like Molly Sugden.

Hearach15 · 27/07/2022 15:50

MangyInseam · 27/07/2022 15:48

Who isn't all gay?

The whole point of DQST is that it is supposed to relate to sexual diversity. A straight guy in a costume isn't "diversity" any more than a guy dressed as Big Bird is.

The whole thing has to be sexualized or it doesn't do what DQST is supposed to do. There is a reason that a library employee who happens to be gay or lesbian reading a story doesn't count as a diversity initiative - because it's invisible to the children. They don't generally know anything about the sexuality of an average library employee or any other guest who comes into the library.

The DQ is meant to be a visible symbol to the kids.

"It's okay for gay people to exist but please they mustn't tell the children they are gay." Very Section 28.

MangyInseam · 27/07/2022 15:48

KittenKong · 27/07/2022 15:40

They aren’t all gay. Who told you they were?

Who isn't all gay?

The whole point of DQST is that it is supposed to relate to sexual diversity. A straight guy in a costume isn't "diversity" any more than a guy dressed as Big Bird is.

The whole thing has to be sexualized or it doesn't do what DQST is supposed to do. There is a reason that a library employee who happens to be gay or lesbian reading a story doesn't count as a diversity initiative - because it's invisible to the children. They don't generally know anything about the sexuality of an average library employee or any other guest who comes into the library.

The DQ is meant to be a visible symbol to the kids.

Hearach15 · 27/07/2022 15:48

ScrollingLeaves · 27/07/2022 15:46

Hearach15 · Today 15:39

“MangyInseam · Today 15:29
Neither Dame Edna nor WIndow Twinky are drag acts in the sense of gay men who perform a certain kind of act, typically in nightclubs. They don't even have the same "look." They aren't drag queens as such. Barry Humphries is an actor and writer who has many character roles, many of whom are male, and he's not, as it happens, gay.”

“DQ story time is about drag queens, who are homosexual, that is the whole point. That's why it's "diversity".”

“Talking about Dame Edna is completely disingenuous.
"He's not, as it happens, gay."”

^Very true. If these drag queens weren't gay no one would have an issue. It's about homophobia and nothing else. Thank you for pointing this out.*

Rubbish.
“Oh Oh Look! Homophobia!! How dare you accuse this poor Drag Queen who is being so sweet and fun with little children! “
is not going to shut up concerned people in this context.

Not sure how this poster saying "It's okay when a straight bloke does it but when a bunch of gays do it then it is clearly wrong 😡" could be described as anything other than homophobia.

Hearach15 · 27/07/2022 15:46

MangyInseam · 27/07/2022 15:42

You know that doesn't even follow if we assume your, very obviously, twisted reading was correct, right?

Your objection is that these drag queens are gay but drag queen Dame Edna is okay because she is played by a straight man?

Yes, hate to break it to you but that is homophobia.

ScrollingLeaves · 27/07/2022 15:46

Hearach15 · Today 15:39

“MangyInseam · Today 15:29
Neither Dame Edna nor WIndow Twinky are drag acts in the sense of gay men who perform a certain kind of act, typically in nightclubs. They don't even have the same "look." They aren't drag queens as such. Barry Humphries is an actor and writer who has many character roles, many of whom are male, and he's not, as it happens, gay.”

“DQ story time is about drag queens, who are homosexual, that is the whole point. That's why it's "diversity".”

“Talking about Dame Edna is completely disingenuous.
"He's not, as it happens, gay."”

^Very true. If these drag queens weren't gay no one would have an issue. It's about homophobia and nothing else. Thank you for pointing this out.*

Rubbish.
“Oh Oh Look! Homophobia!! How dare you accuse this poor Drag Queen who is being so sweet and fun with little children! “
is not going to shut up concerned people in this context.

Hearach15 · 27/07/2022 15:44

ScrollingLeaves · 27/07/2022 15:39

Hearach15 · Today 14:25

ScrollingLeaves · Today 13:51

^GoodJanetBadJanet · Today 13:41
Heh. I think the notion that he would be considered a suitable children’s entertainer would be news to Barry humphries.
I think the point is that lots of us grew up watching him on telly as kids.^

“Barry Humpbries as Dame Edna was a middle aged Melbourne housewife in whose persona he satirised society. The satire would have been completely above the heads of the children of the age shown in DQST,. The costume was not sex fetish version of female. The programmes went out at 10 p.m I posted on this earlier having looked it up.”

However, a drag queen reading children a children's story is not entertainment above the heads of children.

Quite. It’s aimed precisely at them. To draw them in.

You missed the point that Dame Edna was never intended for children. It was political and social satire. It was aired on TV for adults at an adult hour. He was not dressed to look sexualised. If any small children staying up late had seen him, they would have switched off.

Dame Edna is dressed no differently to the drag queens of today and is often on daytime TV - that is at a time when children are watching.

Unless you're saying Loose Women - broadcast at 12.30 in the afternoon is an adult hour?

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