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Drag Queen Story Time

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LizzyStrata · 13/06/2022 10:33

First time posting here, so not sure of the etiquette. My apologies if this is the wrong place to raise these concerns.

Reading Borough Council is planning to hold Drag Queen Story Hour events in our libraries during the summer holidays. I’ve written to my MP, my councillors, and the Head of the Library Service to raise concerns. I think drag is entirely inappropriate for children, as it is a form of adult entertainment, highly sexualised and misogynistic, that blurs boundaries and undermines safeguarding.

The response Ive had is simply that they have received very few complaints so no reason to cancel.

Has anyone had any experience of tackling their local library over this issue? Grateful for any tips.

Also, if you live in Berkshire ,would you be willing to write and share your concerns?

thanks!

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lollipoprainbow · 30/07/2022 06:44

It's hardly an erection! Surely he would have to 'strap' it to his body to avoid an obvious bulge as the dress is so skintight??

DarkDayForPearlClutchingVipers · 29/07/2022 21:29

Ah, thanks, that was a useful, if horrifying read.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 29/07/2022 20:41

DarkDayForPearlClutchingVipers · 29/07/2022 20:31

CW: nudity/drag queen walking about with a 3 year old

captioned 'children belong at drag shows!!!! children deserve to see fun & expression & freedom'

'fun' 'expression' and 'freedom' are looking a bit different from the panto.

twitter.com/TheLaurenChen/status/1543405646049058816

This feels reminiscent of the parents who were more apprehensive of appearing to be anti-progressive and repressed than duly concerned for the wellbeing of their children and the appropriateness of what was being normalised for the very young.

The self-deception of these supposedly enlightened parents began when they tried to force an uninhibited relationship with sex on the children. In theory, their goal was to enable the children to act on their sexual needs. But because children are not spontaneously inclined to become sexually active in front of adults, they had to be stimulated to do so.

www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/the-sexual-revolution-and-children-how-the-left-took-things-too-far-a-702679.html

DarkDayForPearlClutchingVipers · 29/07/2022 20:31

CW: nudity/drag queen walking about with a 3 year old

captioned 'children belong at drag shows!!!! children deserve to see fun & expression & freedom'

'fun' 'expression' and 'freedom' are looking a bit different from the panto.

twitter.com/TheLaurenChen/status/1543405646049058816

TullyApplebottom · 29/07/2022 07:46

i saw someone the other day describe it as « goading ». That seems right to me. Everyone has to be made to participate in this particular sexual quirk, and can’t voice their misgivings. And so called progressive parents with absolute shit for brains go along with it.

Ramblingnamechanger · 29/07/2022 00:28

Lots of shouty men there it seems. I am a lesbian and was around in the 70s and the only thing I can remember being at all similar is the way in which PIE tried to piggyback onto the gay liberation movement. I have never really thought drag queens were in any way progressive but certainly do not think that they are suitable childrens entertainment. What is the reason that so many try to assert their own needs on young children? And why the skintight figure hugging outfits? I really can’t imagine.

HirplesWithHaggis · 29/07/2022 00:22

ValancyRedfern · 28/07/2022 18:29

I'm so sorry for being lazy, but I've been searching through the thread for the picture of Aida with visible seemingly erect penis and I can't find it. Would someone mind reposting it? I want to attach to an email to my local library who are hosting this weekend. Thanks so much!

Hope this works...

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OldCrone · 28/07/2022 19:44

ValancyRedfern · 28/07/2022 18:29

I'm so sorry for being lazy, but I've been searching through the thread for the picture of Aida with visible seemingly erect penis and I can't find it. Would someone mind reposting it? I want to attach to an email to my local library who are hosting this weekend. Thanks so much!

I posted it. I can't find that post now, but one of my posts has been deleted. Must be that one. It was posted on twitter by pink news here:
mobile.twitter.com/PinkNews/status/1540671598042042368?cxt=HHwWgMCizfqpyOEqAAAA

Try the archives if they've decided to delete it.

EdwinaStar · 28/07/2022 18:42

It's difficult to find out exactly what went on today, the Daily Mail says Henleaze was cancelled but Aida H Dee says it went ahead.

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ValancyRedfern · 28/07/2022 18:29

I'm so sorry for being lazy, but I've been searching through the thread for the picture of Aida with visible seemingly erect penis and I can't find it. Would someone mind reposting it? I want to attach to an email to my local library who are hosting this weekend. Thanks so much!

EdwinaStar · 28/07/2022 18:22

Lockheart · 28/07/2022 18:19

There is sometimes more than one per day. My friend was at one at Hillfields library in Bristol, not Henleaze. But I think they were both today?

Hillfields went ahead, but a woman was arrested.

Musomama1 · 28/07/2022 18:21

GoodJanetBadJanet · 28/07/2022 11:21

What is your point? Lily Savage never targeted her act to 0-5 year old children.
My point is that she was presenting on breakfast telly, on a family friendly breakfast show.
A main person on there.
At a time when lots of toddlers/kids are at home watching when their parents are

Was the Big Breakfast aimed for 0-5 year olds?

I'll answer these questions, Lily Savage never targeted toddlers, the Big Breakfast was not aimed at an early years audience even if kids happened to see them.

Big difference.

A Story Hour on the other hand, that's CBeebies, Jackanory territory, they are designed for early years. I've no issue with drag queens, but nothing will convince me they are age-appropriate for toddlers. That's not an unreasonable observation.

Lockheart · 28/07/2022 18:19

EdwinaStar · 28/07/2022 17:58

There's footage of the protest at Henleaze Library event this morning which had to be cancelled for safety reasons

There is sometimes more than one per day. My friend was at one at Hillfields library in Bristol, not Henleaze. But I think they were both today?

EdwinaStar · 28/07/2022 17:58

There's footage of the protest at Henleaze Library event this morning which had to be cancelled for safety reasons

MangyInseam · 28/07/2022 17:28

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 28/07/2022 13:05

drag panders to outdated stereotypes, no?

what are drag queens dressing up as?

women

how do they dress as women?

by donning high heels, tight, sexualised clothing and make up

they perpetuate the idea that woman = sexualised clothes and make up

seriously, how can this possibly ever be a good message for kids?

I think the answer to this is that a Drag Queen isn't really supposed to be a woman at all. He's a man wearing some of the stereotypically sexualized elements that are associated with women. Because what he is doing is looking at what sexual identity/presentation looks like when you flip male sexual desire towards other men.

So you have a costume that in a way riffs of certain ideas of femininity - because that is being seen as the usual object of male sexual desire - but also in its own way is very masculine.

It's different than someone like an actor playing a role and largely because it's fundamentally related to how people experience sexual desire and the role culture plays in that.

Which is also why it is totally unsuitable for kids. And frankly until a few people decided to make a bundle of money off of it, was largely uninteresting to most people aside from gay men.

Antipasta · 28/07/2022 17:02

Lots of GC women protesting

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Lockheart · 28/07/2022 16:59

GChistory · 28/07/2022 16:25

Does anyone know if the DQSH went ahead in Bristol today or did the protestors stop it?

A friend of mine was tagged on Facebook attending it (the event, not the protest) with two other mothers, so I don't think so.

Antipasta · 28/07/2022 16:59

did the protestors stop it?

I've been following it on Bristol Live, it was across two locations and there was 30-40 black pampers at each, possibly the same ones who were the Standing For Women event - but of course it's hard to tell

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Ravenclawdropout · 28/07/2022 16:37

Only women are not allowed to object to gruesome parodies of us. Numerous groups are treated as fragile and in danger of feeling "unsafe" just from words alone, and our current "progressive" culture is very concerned with offending anyone. But women can be offended and are told to get over it.

GChistory · 28/07/2022 16:25

Does anyone know if the DQSH went ahead in Bristol today or did the protestors stop it?

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 28/07/2022 15:35

‘I have no problem with anyone in drag dressed up as a woman ‘

the way they are dressing as a woman is by adopting hypersexualised garb. I think you have accepted that?

now explain why that’s a good or useful message to give to children

Shortpoet · 28/07/2022 13:53

RuPaul also uses “fishy” to mean “looks like a woman” in this interview.

madamenoire.com/621704/why-rupauls-fishiness-comments-are-problematic/

Datun · 28/07/2022 13:49

People who can't see the difference between an adult sexual entertainment which is leading to prepubescent boys like Desmond is Amazing twerking around naked adult men and Lactatia advising on how to get new parents, not to mention three-year-olds crawling over men in sexualised costumes - and Barry Humphries/widow Twankey are not, in my opinion, credible when it comes to opinions on child safeguarding.

Shortpoet · 28/07/2022 13:49

GoodJanetBadJanet · 28/07/2022 11:50

From RuPaul's drag race and their 'women are fish
Have you even watched Rupaul's Drag Race?!
I watch it and they don't refer to fish at all 😕

The incident happened on big fat quiz of the year.

metro.co.uk/2019/12/28/vivienne-hits-back-criticised-using-word-fishy-big-fat-quiz-year-2019-11970023/

GoodJanetBadJanet · 28/07/2022 13:48

can you really not see and understand the absolutely massive logic fail in that sentence?
I meant it as in we can wear what we like.
So I have no problem with anyone in drag dressed up as a woman.