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Drag Queen Story Time

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LizzyStrata · 13/06/2022 10:33

First time posting here, so not sure of the etiquette. My apologies if this is the wrong place to raise these concerns.

Reading Borough Council is planning to hold Drag Queen Story Hour events in our libraries during the summer holidays. I’ve written to my MP, my councillors, and the Head of the Library Service to raise concerns. I think drag is entirely inappropriate for children, as it is a form of adult entertainment, highly sexualised and misogynistic, that blurs boundaries and undermines safeguarding.

The response Ive had is simply that they have received very few complaints so no reason to cancel.

Has anyone had any experience of tackling their local library over this issue? Grateful for any tips.

Also, if you live in Berkshire ,would you be willing to write and share your concerns?

thanks!

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FrancescaContini · 04/08/2022 19:53

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This isn’t what he’s saying.

mrshoho · 04/08/2022 19:52

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Maybe re read the article. Graham is hardly saying this is he?

RoseslnTheHospital · 04/08/2022 17:40

What is this thing that if someone expresses an opinion they are somehow directing how others must behave or attempting to control them somehow? It's an opinion piece. It's his opinion. If you disagree then just say so and say why.

ComethTheWoman · 04/08/2022 17:31

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EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 04/08/2022 17:12

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I didn't read it that way. I'm plausibly filling-in with my knowledge of Glinner's activement involvement over the years and what it's cost him.

I read it as him expressing apprehension that some events would involve altercations between self-identified anti-fa and right wing extremist groups. Similarly, he was arguing that the risk of altercations and escalation is unacceptable and the more so when it's highly likely that young children are present.

starguita · 04/08/2022 16:49

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TheBiologyStupid · 04/08/2022 16:30

Glinner has just posted on this issue: grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/how-to-solve-the-upcoming-drag-culture

Headbandheart · 04/08/2022 14:38

IcakethereforeIam · 28/07/2022 12:57

Drag is arguably an art form, so too, arguably is burlesque and poledancing. People can dress however they wish, but should be mindful of what is appropriate for the situation. It's odd, but do you think the guy playing Aida would have got the gig as himself?

Are you arguing that straight people can't be flamboyant or dress up? Or that you can't be gay without conforming to regressive stereotypes? That's what we want to teach children?

This is the point so many people are missing

i would strongly object to ANYONE wearing sexualised clothing to read to small children

we wear (or some folks do) sexualised clothing to give signals to those we meet that we are thinking about sexual encounters or at least looking for a meet up that may lead to “romantic” or sexualised relationships.

if I saw a woman at work looking like a drag queen I’d feel very uncomfortable. Not only would it not be professional it is immediately putting me in the middle of whatever sexualised fantasy she was having when she got dressed that morning. And wondering about who she wants to give that signal too. At very least it would be unprofessional.

I wouldn’t accept a bloke turning up to work in bondage gear either.

and I wouldn’t want to manage someone who rocked up to work as a drag g queen - not because I think what he wants to do in his own time is any of my business, but my business is his time I pay for and I want him to focus on my business not his sexualised alter ego

people wear clothes that are associated with seeking different imagery because they are sexualised. To pretend otherwise is disengenuos

if kids aren’t shown boundaries of where sexualised imagery stops and starts, particularly little kids, they’ll not know how to reinforce those boundaries once on their own. It’s why society has taboos. They are safety nets for sake of societies well-being. Sure, their are taboos that could do with breaking down- but sex and kids ain’t one of them

Helleofabore · 04/08/2022 14:33

JaffaCake365 · 04/08/2022 12:11

Norfolk said no thank you to Drag Queen storytime: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-62406654

Does Titania Trust know how to take a photo without a sexualised pose? And councils think that this is good messaging for children? and the messaging of the last name 'Trust' too? Fine for an adult entertainer, not fine for children's entertainment.

Nineteen19 · 04/08/2022 14:23

Nineteen19 · 04/08/2022 11:43

Piers Corbyn standing with the women protesting DQST in Brighton this morning

There's lots of TRAs turned up now to counter protest the women with more arriving all the time.

Drag Queen Story Time
FrancescaContini · 04/08/2022 13:36

DarkDayForPearlClutchingVipers · 29/07/2022 20:31

CW: nudity/drag queen walking about with a 3 year old

captioned 'children belong at drag shows!!!! children deserve to see fun & expression & freedom'

'fun' 'expression' and 'freedom' are looking a bit different from the panto.

twitter.com/TheLaurenChen/status/1543405646049058816

Beyond belief. I actually feel sick watching this.

JaffaCake365 · 04/08/2022 12:11

Norfolk said no thank you to Drag Queen storytime: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-62406654

Nineteen19 · 04/08/2022 11:43

Piers Corbyn standing with the women protesting DQST in Brighton this morning

Drag Queen Story Time
MrGHardy · 30/07/2022 23:14

Clangyleg · 13/06/2022 10:49

Tried to complain in Leeds. And escalated, but received long wordy emails justifying it all on inclusivity grounds. And think it went ahead anyway but at a later date. If you have the name of the performer plus other sm stuff you can point the the inappropriateness .

What does this even mean?

"Inclusivity" - what is this? I have never been included in a library reading. In fact, most men would be looked at with suspicion if they tried to interact with children in a close manner.

What they surely mean is "normalise drag to the next generation".

TullyApplebottom · 30/07/2022 18:43

OldCrone · 30/07/2022 10:00

Is his arousal only important if the children notice?

Some people haven’t read their Nabokov, have they

ScreechingEchoChamber · 30/07/2022 14:17

'Another kind of humorous insult that women take in good part is the drag artists’ grotesque guying of female foibles. Some of the transvestite acts are loving celebrations of the sexless trappings of femininity, and should be chiefly of value in pointing out how little femininity has to do with actual sex and how much to do with glamour-binding. Many more of them are maliciously conceived caricatures of female types ogling and apeing women’s blandishments and hypocrisy while vying with feminine charms.’'

G Greer, The Female Eunuch, 1970

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 30/07/2022 13:46

Helleofabore · 30/07/2022 13:30

And wasn’t this person the one who published a version of a child’s cartoon (Dora, Arthur’s sister) with a vile orgy related alternative text on their social media?

Do the councils booking this act do ANY background checks?

Yes, you're right about the cartoon and, to answer the rhetorical question, the bookers involved either do no due diligence or, more worryingly, they don't care but the 'progressivism' of doing this trumps all other considerations.

See above piece about cultivating sexual liberation as an experiment in some kindergartens in Germany.

Helleofabore · 30/07/2022 13:30

And wasn’t this person the one who published a version of a child’s cartoon (Dora, Arthur’s sister) with a vile orgy related alternative text on their social media?

Do the councils booking this act do ANY background checks?

Helleofabore · 30/07/2022 13:26

Yeah, I have seen no evidence of any strapping attempt in any of the pics of that particular costume and there are quite a few different occasions it has been photographed and published now.

ScreechingEchoChamber · 30/07/2022 11:06

As for strapping, when males strap their penises they go the other way, not up the stomach. As far as I know; I'm not going to google it.

Helleofabore · 30/07/2022 10:14

Are we all looking at the same image?

The one in a sequined pantsuit? With a visible penis line with even a bulbous end sitting against the stomach area?

OldCrone · 30/07/2022 10:00

lollipoprainbow · 30/07/2022 09:11

@DarkDayForPearlClutchingVipers that's different to saying he has an erection though, I very much doubt the kids even noticed.

Is his arousal only important if the children notice?

lollipoprainbow · 30/07/2022 09:11

@DarkDayForPearlClutchingVipers that's different to saying he has an erection though, I very much doubt the kids even noticed.

DarkDayForPearlClutchingVipers · 30/07/2022 08:58

lollipoprainbow · 30/07/2022 06:44

It's hardly an erection! Surely he would have to 'strap' it to his body to avoid an obvious bulge as the dress is so skintight??

Most people who work with children would consider the implications of wearing an outfit so tight it reveals their genitals.

lovelyweathertoday · 30/07/2022 07:07

Antipasta · 28/07/2022 16:59

did the protestors stop it?

I've been following it on Bristol Live, it was across two locations and there was 30-40 black pampers at each, possibly the same ones who were the Standing For Women event - but of course it's hard to tell

I've just watched some of the video with these masked protesters. What are they thinking? Looking aggressive, hiding their identities and swearing/gestures doesn't convince me they have toddlers best interests in mind.