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Men Loitering in Women's Spaces

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Datada · 13/06/2022 09:56

In the past 2 weeks, l saw a man in a ladies loo, with his family. His wife in a cubicle, him hanging around the sinks with 2 young children. I felt it was an erosion of women's boundaries. There was no need for him to be there, and he felt entitled to be there. When l walked in he didn't bat an eyelid. This was a new level of cheeky fuckery

I had to take a piss and change a tampon with Joe Bloggs standing 2 meters away. I was not comfortable, nor ok with this, and that is my right. l shouldn't have to challenge randomers in my day to day, so l chose not to.

Then last week, a man with his wife in a lingerie dept. l saw him staring at women looking at bras. I was trying to dodge his laser gaze, while trying to find a new bra style. And then thought, fuck this and left. I know a department store is gender neutral, but this guy was a creep. I don't care if a man is buying underwear for himself or his partner, once he is minding his own business and not using the place as fodder for his sexual fantasies.

These heterosexual men now just think it's ok to loiter and look at women in intimate female spaces. Women need a level of comfort and protection just doing daily tasks, this is being erased. Women have a right to privacy. Women need protected spaces.

OP posts:
PaddleBoardingMomma · 13/06/2022 12:59

@NotKevinTurvey you're naive if you don't believe that some men lust and fantasise over the simple acts women do! Girls night? Pillow fights in your underwear. Shopping for underwear? Getting turned on in the changing rooms desperate for sex. Spa weekend? Getting bi in the hot tub. It's rife, don't be blind to it.

And as for the poster saying he blindly followed me in and would have stood there looking shifty, it was more the fact I had two kids with me and hands full of shopping bags he was helping me carry, he would have presumed I needed a hand carrying things.

sittingnexttochoppysea · 13/06/2022 12:51

@NotKevinTurvey did you not know that all men are perverts and have fetishes? All they think about all day is sex and how to Erase women. All men do this. From the moment they are born.

Well if you don't agree with his you'll get hammered on these boards!!

NotKevinTurvey · 13/06/2022 12:42

PaddleBoardingMomma · 13/06/2022 12:26

They *want to stash in their wank bank... although the double wank probably fits for most of the pervs that get off on this stuff.

Just infuriating we can't even do something as simple as buying pants without it being made into some weird fetishised live-action drama for blokes.

You think a man is going to have a wank over the memory of a woman looking at bras in a department store?

sittingnexttochoppysea · 13/06/2022 12:41

PaddleBoardingMomma · 13/06/2022 12:00

I think it's a very odd kind of man that's comfortable / wants to be in these situations? The other day I had to nip into Boux Avenue and my husband and two kids were with me, we had been into other shops on the way and all gone in together, so when I went into Boux they initially followed me in, I turned round to DH and said you can wait outside if you want and he said "ah thank god you said that, I'll be out the front here, shall I take the kids?" And that was that? That's normal, right? I knew he wouldn't want to be in there, it's normal surely for a bloke to feel awkward in what is obviously a female space? Wtf is going on with these guys who are happy / bold as balls, to be walking in and not even for good reason (picking something out with their partner, buying a gift, helping someone who needs assistance or has a disability) but just to tag along and have a good ogle at stuff they wank to stash in their wank bank? I DONT GET IT!?

But here's the important point, if you hadn't had said that he would have followed you in and been in the shop, feeling awkward yes and so probably, to other shoppers looking shifty. He didn't volunteer to stay outside, you suggested it.

sittingnexttochoppysea · 13/06/2022 12:38

The guy in the loo I would have said something to him. No point moaning about it later if you weren't prepared to say something at the time.

The guy in the lingerie department was with his wife. They were shopping together. You're going to get creeps everywhere but you can't stop partners shopping together. If he was looking at you in a way that made you uncomfortable then you should have said something. I'd have just said 'do I know you? You keep looking at me'.

PaddleBoardingMomma · 13/06/2022 12:26

They *want to stash in their wank bank... although the double wank probably fits for most of the pervs that get off on this stuff.

Just infuriating we can't even do something as simple as buying pants without it being made into some weird fetishised live-action drama for blokes.

PaddleBoardingMomma · 13/06/2022 12:00

I think it's a very odd kind of man that's comfortable / wants to be in these situations? The other day I had to nip into Boux Avenue and my husband and two kids were with me, we had been into other shops on the way and all gone in together, so when I went into Boux they initially followed me in, I turned round to DH and said you can wait outside if you want and he said "ah thank god you said that, I'll be out the front here, shall I take the kids?" And that was that? That's normal, right? I knew he wouldn't want to be in there, it's normal surely for a bloke to feel awkward in what is obviously a female space? Wtf is going on with these guys who are happy / bold as balls, to be walking in and not even for good reason (picking something out with their partner, buying a gift, helping someone who needs assistance or has a disability) but just to tag along and have a good ogle at stuff they wank to stash in their wank bank? I DONT GET IT!?

ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 13/06/2022 11:40

This is how the erosion of women’s safe spaces is being normalised. We have to challenge it every time. But god that is such a pain— embarrassing, uncomfortable, possibly dangerous. And in the OP’s example, a woman was actually allowing the man in. Why couldn’t he wait outside with the kids, as he should?

The more often it happens, the sooner it will become absolutely normal, and we’ll have lost a right we’ve had since the 19th century.

NotKevinTurvey · 13/06/2022 11:30

Datada · 13/06/2022 09:56

In the past 2 weeks, l saw a man in a ladies loo, with his family. His wife in a cubicle, him hanging around the sinks with 2 young children. I felt it was an erosion of women's boundaries. There was no need for him to be there, and he felt entitled to be there. When l walked in he didn't bat an eyelid. This was a new level of cheeky fuckery

I had to take a piss and change a tampon with Joe Bloggs standing 2 meters away. I was not comfortable, nor ok with this, and that is my right. l shouldn't have to challenge randomers in my day to day, so l chose not to.

Then last week, a man with his wife in a lingerie dept. l saw him staring at women looking at bras. I was trying to dodge his laser gaze, while trying to find a new bra style. And then thought, fuck this and left. I know a department store is gender neutral, but this guy was a creep. I don't care if a man is buying underwear for himself or his partner, once he is minding his own business and not using the place as fodder for his sexual fantasies.

These heterosexual men now just think it's ok to loiter and look at women in intimate female spaces. Women need a level of comfort and protection just doing daily tasks, this is being erased. Women have a right to privacy. Women need protected spaces.

They absolutely should not be in the women’s toilets, but there’s no reason at all for a man who’s with his partner, or looking to buy for her, being in the lingerie department.

FOJN · 13/06/2022 10:49

The thing entitled men like this are too stupid or selfish to understand is that they are normalising men in women's toilets for their daughters. Their daughters will not see other men in women's toilets as a threat when they may well be and their daughters will be in danger without the experience to recognise it.

Slow handclap for entitled wankers.

RaaRaaLaLaLa · 13/06/2022 09:59

Yes, yes they do.

In fact they see it as a brilliant thing to be doing, like they are doing a good deed. You are your tampon are unimportant.

He probably put it on his social media later. He's a wonderful man for helped his children wash their hands. All that jazz.