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darcyesque · 12/06/2022 12:24

Just a quick question really. Has everyone given up on them reporting this issue accurately? Does affect your trust in the BBC generally? It bothers me that they can't or won't get this right.

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SpindleSheWrote · 14/06/2022 08:08

What the BBC Complaints Dept is doing is appointing itself the sole arbiter of what ‘matters’ and is ‘important’ to the public, in order to be able to manipulate its own editorial code.

A viewer says, you broke your own code, you didn’t provide balance on this important issue.

The BBC replies, we disagree. The opposing view doesn’t matter, a debate around it isn’t of importance to the public, we’ve unilaterally decided. Now give us your money and fuck off.

darcyesque · 14/06/2022 07:59

"when I've written to them, they have written back to say that they identify as being impartial. "

Guffaws . Useless twonks

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ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 13/06/2022 19:51

when I've written to them, they have written back to say that they identify as being impartial.

Nicely put!

TheBiologyStupid · 13/06/2022 19:41

Boiledeggandtoast · 13/06/2022 08:03

I listened to the recent edition of HARDtalk on the World Service where Stephen Sackur interviewed Danica Roem, "America's first transgender state lawmaker". It was a very soft interview and ended with them discussing the possibility of a transgender president without even acknowledging that there has not yet been a woman president!

Good grief! I frequently finding myself trying to defend the Beeb, but that interview sounds pretty indefensible.

RoseLunarPink · 13/06/2022 19:25

He complained about the BBC allowing Will Self to have the opportunity to say that marijuana should be legalised without arranging for the opposite argument to be aired at some point, given that this is a significant issue for the UK.

Will Self could lie in a ditch zonked off his tits muttering incoherently about squirrels and Radio 4 would broadcast it in a prime slot. Their commitment to giving him airtime to bore on about things he doesn’t understand is unlimited. That man must have some serious dirt on someone.

What I notice most about BBC news on gender issues is that their wokery is skin deep. They’ll run all kinds of puff pieces about trans individuals and be all TWAW in those, but then completely forget that stance and write normal sane medical articles on other issues in which they talk about men and women. Then there are some in between. It suggests it’s just about whoever writes the piece and there’s no overall understanding or policy in either direction - they just have some ideologue staff who try to force the GI agenda but fail. And others who fight back either overtly or subtly. And others who haven’t even woken up to the whole issue at all.

That would be OK for some topics but the BBC is supposed to reflect science and reality accurately, and that is relevant for this topic.

Boiledeggandtoast · 13/06/2022 08:03

I listened to the recent edition of HARDtalk on the World Service where Stephen Sackur interviewed Danica Roem, "America's first transgender state lawmaker". It was a very soft interview and ended with them discussing the possibility of a transgender president without even acknowledging that there has not yet been a woman president!

oldwomanwhoruns · 13/06/2022 04:03

Like others, I submit complaints to the BBC and receive fob-off replies.

Their unnecessary use of the 'lgbtqi+' acronym irritates me immensely. I understand that they do this because their rules have been written by TRAs, and noone seems to have the power to change the rules. But they use this Stonewall phraseology when they mean gay people. It is not the same thing.

MangyInseam · 13/06/2022 02:11

SpindleSheWrote · 12/06/2022 14:17

I know that Peter Hitchens is a bit barking, but his article today also looks at the BBC's so-called 'impartiality', although through a different lens.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10907457/PETER-HITCHENS-Biased-BBC-says-dope-legal-cocaines-joke-pay-it.html

He complained about the BBC allowing Will Self to have the opportunity to say that marijuana should be legalised without arranging for the opposite argument to be aired at some point, given that this is a significant issue for the UK. The response was that basically that it was up to the BBC what was important or not, and if they don't think it matters then they don't have to give balance.

I have got used to stupid responses from the complaints people. But the answer I got was so ridiculous, it made me laugh out loud. They said: 'While we accept that the drugs issue is of course capable of causing political or societal controversy, we do not agree that it is currently a 'major matter' as defined in our editorial guidelines.'

Like I said I've got no time for Hitchens, and disagree with him on most things, but this is a fascinating glimpse into how the BBC is gaming its own editorial policy.

This is interesting. I made a complaint to the CBC in Canada a while ago about a piece on transwomen in sport. It was incredibly one sided, anyone who heard it would have had the impression that no one with any expertise had any serious concerns, and it implied that Lurel Hubbard was an example of a transwoman who did not win and it wasn't reported on, which gave people the wrong impression that there is an advantage for transwomen.

The response I had was in some ways quite similar to what PH is describing - just complete weasel-denial that there was any issue.

What I realized from the response is that it's a different kind of subterfuge than old fashioned use of fake facts. Instead it's a narrative crafted more by what is not said, and not only over the course of one show or broadcast. So it's really difficult to say, this piece is inappropriatly biased.

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 12/06/2022 20:50

It has definitely affected my view of the BBC and my consumption of BBC output as well. I no longer use the BBC news website, whereas I used to use it daily. I find the sky news website to be more factual and based primarily on actual news stories instead of magazine style articles designed to elicit sympathy for whomever the beeb has judged to be the right sort of people. I am seriously considering cancelling my TV licence - we don't actually watch live TV with any sort of regularity, big sports events don't bother us, and I resent giving them money for nothing. I used to feel that I was funding an important public service - an impartial public broadcaster - but I no longer feel that way. Somewhat ironically, the only thing that's making me hesitant to cancel is that the BBC have the rights to adapt JK Rowling's Strike books; these have all been great TV drama so far and I want to watch the next ones!

Feckedupbundle · 12/06/2022 20:40

EdithStourton I agree with you. I stopped paying my license fee years ago over their poor grasp of rural affairs and farmer bashing.
The BBC's constant promotion of drag on their news websites reinforces that my decision to not fund them.

Artichokeleaves · 12/06/2022 18:10

WarriorN · 12/06/2022 17:00

I actually want EB to grill guests.

She doesn't grill the TRAs as much as they flounce. That shows. I appreciate all the Feminists she's spoken to standing their ground and being REALLY sane.

She also managed to repeat "your penis" ALOT when interviewing grace laverly which stood out..

I agree. No idea what EB's politics is, but I haven't yet seen Maya or any other woman standing up for women's rights who has been afraid to answer tough questions. In fact they welcome them.

The issue has been more the unbalanced airtime, lack of coverage, and how long it's taken for the BBC to permit any woman speaking in defense of women's rights even a few seconds of airtime, while providing a very great deal of gentle and sympathetic space for unopposed speaking on an agenda that as a side effect does a great deal of harm to women's rights. There has been active suppression of information.

However when I've written to them, they have written back to say that they identify as being impartial. Confused

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 12/06/2022 17:54

I wonder a lot about the BBC on account of accusations of sexual assault against more than one presenter.

WarriorN · 12/06/2022 17:00

I actually want EB to grill guests.

She doesn't grill the TRAs as much as they flounce. That shows. I appreciate all the Feminists she's spoken to standing their ground and being REALLY sane.

She also managed to repeat "your penis" ALOT when interviewing grace laverly which stood out..

Abitofalark · 12/06/2022 16:39

darcyesque · 12/06/2022 15:56

Abitofalark, sorry I thought just posting on this particular board would be explanation. I agree with you about the BBC

Not to worry. I am sure many people make the same assumption.

IamSarah · 12/06/2022 16:34

I was interviewed by a sympathetic BBC journalist recently, they definitely exist.

(Interview hasn't been aired yet, so I guess will need to reserve judgment until I've seen the whole thing!)

EdithStourton · 12/06/2022 16:05

Having an impartial public broadcaster is very important.

The BBC is not currently filling this slot. Not just on sex and gender (its grasp of rural affairs is crap as well).

darcyesque · 12/06/2022 15:56

Abitofalark, sorry I thought just posting on this particular board would be explanation. I agree with you about the BBC

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Musomama1 · 12/06/2022 15:35

Years ago there was a great exploratory doc with Martina Navratilova looking at reasons for rise in transgenderism, particularly young people. I knew nothing about the issue and it was very reasonable and enlightening, it would be screamed down now.

Having said that, a BBC producer on twitter was discussing wanting to do a GC doc with some of the leading voices including JKR. I watch with interest at any development.

Abitofalark · 12/06/2022 15:20

It's always helpful to specify the topic of the thread - no one knows what is in the thread starter's mind.

The BBC is a disgrace and especially Woman's Hour, which is almost totally ignoring ongoing issues and developments re gender identity affecting women's rights, which are being discussed daily elsewhere in the media, in favour of their own agenda and chasing sensational events such as court cases in New York or Washington or political dramas re Whitehall during the pandemic. Emma Barnett is the pits for this and seems to get a pass with some for having done one or two interviews while failing to bother with most of everything else.

sweetgrapes · 12/06/2022 15:04

BBC... has an unusually high percentage of TQ+ employees so straight employees then?

dropthevipers · 12/06/2022 14:56

KatVonlabonk · 12/06/2022 14:26

There's some great journalists there who've stuck their neck out but they certainly should never have employed Ben Hunte.

I think they definitely lean more TRA side but TRAs think the BBC is transphobic anyway.

Maybe if both sides hate you, you ARE impartial?

Er, no. The Koolaid gang regard anything other than utterly craven capitulation to the TWAW mantra as transphobia, so them frothing about the BBC, or the Graun is proof positive of nothing except their batshit mentalism.

Snugglepumpkin · 12/06/2022 14:56

Long since given up on the corrupt BBC.

I watch no programmes they make, don't use their radio stations or whatever TRA nonsense they put on their site, no longer pay for a TV licence because I won't support such an anti women organisation & have no interest in such an irrelevant outdated broadcaster.

The BBC have made themselves one of those 'olden days' things old people from the 80s remember, like landlines with rotary dial corded telephones that my son has heard of in passing but thinks have nothing to do with younger people.

darcyesque · 12/06/2022 14:44

Disclosure, I don't think they earn the licence fee on this issue alone. If they self funded then we could take our business elsewhere. But they take public money to push a one-sided view.

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Floisme · 12/06/2022 14:43

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If it's the same interview I heard, Emma asked Maya some tough questions. But that's her job.

darcyesque · 12/06/2022 14:41

I mean the whole wide sex and gender issue. There are so many different aspects. Some are covered badly by the BBC, most of them they don't bother with at all.

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