LGB Alliance to plan helpline with Lottery funding

Lesbians who date trans women who are trans are still lesbians. Gay men who date trans men are still gay

They are really not. No matter how many times you say it, you still can't make it true.

Well to be fair the subject of vagina only comes up with a few of my friends...😀

Oh and step 5) 'homosexual' now means 'politically TQ+ compliant people of any sexuality, has no meaning at all, has completely fucked over homosexual people's rights in law and is now seeking to prevent them being recognised or allowed to organise at all unless TQ+ compliant. And if you won't chant what we tell you to say, then you're not allowed to be LGBT.

And there's no one LGBT who doesn't agree with us in our lovely community! (Because we forced out all the ones who refused to submit, and they don't exist, they don't, shutupshutupshutup random smiley emojis)

Nope you are wrong. Lesbians who date trans women who are trans are still lesbians. Gay men who date trans men are still gay😀

You could have fooled me! 😂

I'm sure many men would find them attractive. However if they're ok with having sex with someone with a vagina then no, they are by definition not gay men. They are not homosexual.

The clue is in the 'sex' bit of the word 'homosexual'.

And I'll point out the step by step approach:

1. don't be meanies about labels, be kind and let people call themselves what they like

2. it's fine for gay people to extend their sex relationships to T people if they want to

3. it's mean for homosexual people to recognise and date/want sex based on biological sex

4. being homosexual is like being racist and they have no place in the LGBT community, and they should never be allowed to organise independently or to want words of their own that have the set sex based meaning, or to be allowed to have a political voice of their own

I was with you through 1 and 2. 3 and 4 is what made me realise 'be kind' is a really stupid, doormatty thing to do. So it's no to all of them.

That is not the case. Plenty of lesbians have sex with trans women and do not consider themselves bi. Ditto for gay men.

They can consider themselves what they like, it still won't be true. Words mean things. Lesbians are women who are exclusively same-sex attracted. Women who are attracted to males of any type as well as women are not lesbian. If they describe themselves as lesbian then they are co-opting a marginalised identity that is not theirs to steal.

Words mean things.

Sorry should clarify. I know more than two gay men, it's just the subject of a penis doesn't come up with the others 😀

The two gay men I know would not be keen on the vagina

I mean that's kind of the point for them as lovely as they may initially find that transman the lack of a Penis would put them right off

I don't know much about celebrities but I did a quick Google of "hot trans man" and I would imagine that a large number of gay men would be very interested in this trans man whether or not he has a vagina.

www.outsports.com/2018/9/27/17909094/ajay-holbrook-transgender-bodybuilding

Quite a lot of people here seem to believe that a woman cannot be a lesbian if she dates a trans woman. Or a gay man isn't a gay man if he dates a trans man.

This is not the case. No one trades in their gay card by dating a trans person.

Gay = man who likes men

Or

Woman who likes women (commonly known as a lesbian) 😀

I'm sure all the lurkers are now fully convinced that there's no need for LGB Alliance and its helpline to exist at all. Some very persuasive opponents here.

Oh yes. I'm equally sure hearach is verrr busy on datalounge convincing all those gay men why they should be interested in women with vaginas. Sorry, men with vaginas.

lol.

By the way, I am not negating that that sexual orientation hasn’t experienced discrimination and oppression.

But in this instance ..

Now… wouldn’t it be rather horrific for someone whose sexual orientation is not really being redefined because of the nature of that sexual orientation to be enthusiastically supporting the forceable redefining of other people’s sexual orientation?

I wonder if some posters think about that… at all…

No ive done it again

i meant non existent

No my mistake

i meant underwhelming

The evidence was overwhelming I’m afraid necessary

I'm sure all the lurkers are now fully convinced that there's no need for LGB Alliance and its helpline to exist at all. Some very persuasive opponents here.

(Maybe keep going a bit more to make sure they fully understand?)

Dating a trans person doesn't mean you stop being gay

Oh - did you think that's what we were claiming? That whether someone is trans or not affects their sex or the sex of the people they are attracted to? Oh dear, you've gotten it quite wrong!

Oh that's me convinced you've used a 😍 emoji.

Where's the fecking gin ...

😁
Says the person who can't define 'trans', 'gay', and I'm beginning to suspect even 'person' might present something of a challenge, given the number of posts you've had deleted.

The vast majority of lesbians and gay men don't believe in homosexuality

Well, once you've redefined "lesbians" and "gay men" to include heterosexuals and bisexuals, then clearly that's quite possible.

Having likewise redefined "vegetarians", as I have, you may be surprised to know that the vast majority of vegetarians agree on including meat!

This is 2022 - get with the times!

Dating a trans person doesn't mean you stop being gay 😍

Haha!!

Have you heard that, everyone? The vast majority of lesbians and gay men don't believe in homosexuality 🤣🤣🤣

Honestly, Hearach15, give it up. Lesbians don't do dick.