LGB Alliance to plan helpline with Lottery funding

And it would mean you've managed somehow to avoid seeing or thinking about the wealth of evidence shared on this thread that no, this is not true.

So this is your personal reality, isn't it? And I get that it's lovely in there. Everything is happy and wonderful, and no facts exist in there that you don't like or might make you doubt what you like believing, and you can't see any evidence that might spoil your happy faith, and you can say several conflicting things and yet have them all be true to you at the same time. It's rather what Trump does.

But you can't tell me that your personal reality is also mine, and I must base my perceptions on it, because outside of your head that reality does not exist.

And it's no basis at all for preventing other people standing up for their rights and needs and to be able to have their own voices. They don't live in your lovely reality. And they can't disappear the nasty stuff the way you seem to be able to.

Fab post!

At last someone is starting to get it!. No-one5 is being prevented from being attracted to whoever they want, no-one is being forced to be attracted to anyone they don't want, everyone can just carry on living their own lives as they choose, no-one is being 'erased', so what on earth are you all getting so worked up about?

Another hypocritical post.

No one is saying people cannot be attracted to whoever they want!

No one ever did on this thread !

People have been repetitively and patiently stating, even to the point of explaining as if to a child, that what a small group are doing is forceably changing the words used to describe sexual orientation.

Shall we now look at the theories behind the movement of why this is happening? Why a group of people is seeking to destabilise known science and language to suit their needs?

I mean, we can also continue to look at some of the people, the intellectuals, who have contributed to that particular movement.

no-one is being 'erased'

Does it even register in your mind you are telling lesbians what they are experiencing is non-existent?

While actually ignoring the few selected examples of it happening.. maybe we should post the rest? At least the readers will appreciate it.

what on earth are you all getting so worked up about

So much wonderful love, inclusion, happiness and, oh yes, respect, in that statement.

Wondering if I can disappear Boris Johnson from reality this morning by insisting he doesn't exist? Or just that he is lovely because he's lovely and there are no problems at all regarding him or his leadership because there aren't!

See! Now everything's lovely in the UK What are you on about that there are some problems with .... no. Get over yourselves. He's lovely. There are no problems.

We also have no evidence that LGB Alliance is not a suitable organisation to run a LGB focused helpline for young people.

We have a poster though, with a number of deletions, who has not been able to back up any of their wildly prejudiced views about LGB Alliance now on two threads about the organisation.

There is a huge effort from people who probably call themselves hugely tolerant to destroy the reputation of LGB Alliance.

So tolerant.

If what you say here was true, you wouldn't be on page 33 of a thread insisting that homosexual people must not be allowed to organise (on the basis of wanting to be who they want and have sex with who they want).

And it would mean you've managed somehow to avoid seeing or thinking about the wealth of evidence shared on this thread that no, this is not true.

So this is your personal reality, isn't it? And I get that it's lovely in there. Everything is happy and wonderful, and no facts exist in there that you don't like or might make you doubt what you like believing, and you can't see any evidence that might spoil your happy faith, and you can say several conflicting things and yet have them all be true to you at the same time. It's rather what Trump does.

But you can't tell me that your personal reality is also mine, and I must base my perceptions on it, because outside of your head that reality does not exist.

And it's no basis at all for preventing other people standing up for their rights and needs and to be able to have their own voices. They don't live in your lovely reality. And they can't disappear the nasty stuff the way you seem to be able to.

I see that we also got not even a skerrick of acknowledgement that puberty blockers have some significant health risks too.

Did we get through another day without the acknowledgement that in fact Nancy Kelley accused lesbians of prejudice if they weren’t including males as their sexual partners?

And that a prominent transitioned male tran spokesperson declared that lesbians could learn to cope with penis in vagina sex?

And that McGahey used apartheid as an analogy for lesbians not having sex with males?

The determined effort to remain ignorant of the reality that in fact there most definitely is coercive pressure on lesbians to have sex with males who have taken the word themselves is outstanding.

Nothing to see here.

It is all wonderful, loving and inclusive.

no-one is being forced to be attracted to anyone they don't want

This is patently untrue. Lesbians are being put under a lot of pressure to accept transwomen (males) as prospective sexual partners. This is rape culture, and to deny the myriad accounts of it happening is rape apologism.

no-one is being 'erased',

"What's a lesbian?"

A middle aged father of five.

🙄

"So your position is:
Trans people believe that certain types of soul/psyches etc are (largely) only ever found in male bodies, and other types are found in female bodies"

No that is not my position, it's not what I've said, it's what you keep saying. Although before you kept on about certain types of soul etc not matching with certain types of body, you've now changed it again to certain types of soul "only ever found in male bodies, and other types are found in female bodies"
As I've said before, I don't understand your question, it makes no sense, however you ask it.
What are these "certain types of soul/psyches etc" you keep on about? Every soul/psyche is unique, it's what makes us different from each other.
You're continually twisting and changing what I said, which is really very simple when you stop trying to complicate it:
A trans person, male or female, does not feel 'comfortable' with the body they have, they feel it is very wrong, they feel they are in "the wrong body", an alien, so they transition to look/feel more like 'themselves'. Nothing to do with "soul types". And that's not being contradictory, it's what I've said from the start.

no-one is being 'erased',

I don't think you understand what that word means. Your attempts to edit the language so that some groups (lesbians, gay men, women) no longer have the words to describe themselves constitute erasure.

Lesbians (original edition, homosexual females) need a word to describe themselves, and women (original edition, adult human females) need a word to describe ourselves.

But then again, perhaps "erase" is another of the words that you've conveniently redefined to suit yourself.

Now I'm wondering if there's any point in talking to you if none of your words mean anything. There isn't really, is there? You seem to have a fixed set of responses that are generated by keywords.

@Artichokeleaves "The massive majority of us are going to roll our eyes and go right on being attracted to who we want and not giving a fuck, because frankly its insane."

At last someone is starting to get it!. No-one5 is being prevented from being attracted to whoever they want, no-one is being forced to be attracted to anyone they don't want, everyone can just carry on living their own lives as they choose, no-one is being 'erased', so what on earth are you all getting so worked up about?

"If they were not gays".... hmm. Interesting turn of phrase.

Abuse can be hurled by idiots for various reasons that they may be mistaken about. Those hurling abuse are going on their initial perception obviously. You're surely not trying to suggest that whether or not someone is gay depends on the perception of abusive strangers?

they can’t be women. No one knows what a woman is so how can transwomen be women? You seem very invested in trying to convince us that biological sex is not real therefore homosexuality is not real. I think you are extremely homophobic and you should be ashamed of yourself. You’re just like those blokes in the pub telling lesbians “ you just haven’t found the right dick yet”. Or “ I’m a lesbian, I’m just trapped in a mans body”. If you can’t see the similarity between that and the things you are saying all I can say is your parents must be very ashamed of you. It is disgusting, vile homophobic abuse. N

I am very much not ashamed of myself 😀

Indeed they do. And that is because women who are trans are women.

I also linked a second tweet: "Homophobic abuse twice in the last two weeks on the street".

Why would people yell homophobic abuse at a couple if they were not gays?

I'm bisexual, so what does this mean in this brave new world? I'd always taken it to mean I was attracted to males and females, but does it now mean I'm attracted to 'genders'? Sadly, it doesn't surprise me to hear such insistence that a woman who dates a transwoman must be a lesbian. There's still a lot animosity and hatred towards bi people, and many are desperate to be either gay or straight.

Nope you are wrong. Lesbians who date trans women who are trans are still lesbians. Gay men who date trans men are still gay😀

This is a homophobic , denial of the existence of same sex attracted people. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Er, @Hearach15 , that's online. I hate to break it to you, but the way that people present themselves on online dating platforms often bears little resemblance to reality.

Nope. A lesbian isn't a man who likes other men who want to be women.

Leave lesbians and women alone. We are not your resource.

People occasionally yell misogynistic abuse at TW, going on surface appearance.

It's not about surface appearance or identity. It is about biological sex. When you commandeer and blend and distort the meaning of words you trash the protections and identities of those you are stealing them from.

Find other words of your own. Leave other people alone.

Incorrect tweet - this one!

twitter.com/BernieTranders/status/1518331206559019009

If that were the case I wonder why this young couple (one of whom is a trans man) had homophobic abuse yelled at them?

twitter.com/bernietranders/status/1242621246757634050

If they were really a straight couple, why did someone yell 'faggots' at them?

Might be the heat but you’ve got some typos there.

lesbians who date transmen are still lesbians. Gay men who date transwomen are still gay. FTFY. HTH. X